Originally posted by h1a8
See more proof that we use the highest feats.Note: lightning does not make you bleed and we do not know the injuries she suffered before healing up. It took her a bit of time just to get back into the battle. So it did affect her.
And lightning and getting punched are two different things.
And Thanos didn't bleed when Hulk hit him.
Your original claim was that we only use high end feats, but nice try. the fact that you have to change your argument says it all.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat affected her and took her out if the game more than Thanos who smiled. She was also effected by other asgardians as well as Thor. She is not unbeatable in one on one combat. See Surtur.
Strength: Crushing Mjolnir > Overpowering Hulk.Durability: Taking Thors biggest Lightning blast with no blood > Iron Man making you bleed.
Originally posted by h1a8
See more proof that we use the highest feats.Note: lightning does not make you bleed and we do not know the injuries she suffered before healing up. It took her a bit of time just to get back into the battle. So it did affect her.
And lightning and getting punched are two different things.
And Thanos didn't bleed when Hulk hit him.
Its highest for both so whats the issue.
Thors most powerful lightning blast is obviously greater than a punch from Hulk as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That affected her and took her out if the game more than Thanos who smiled. She was also effected by other asgardians as well as Thor. She is not unbeatable in one on one combat. See Surtur.
Thanos doesn't hit as strong as Thor's lightning blasts. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Hela hits harder than IM. Face it Quan, Thanos loses this fight.
Slug fest would likely go to Hela with her seemingly better than Wolverine healing factor, Asgardian blade went right through her and she didn't care nor bleed. She's also faster and more agile. Thanos has the H2H skill advantage though.
Could also argue that Hela's possibly stronger than Thanos due to her grabbing, holding onto and shattering Mjolnir and this was before she landed on Asgard and seemingly powered up even more.
Originally posted by Robtard
Slug fest would likely go to Hela with her seemingly better than Wolverine healing factor, Asgardian blade went right through her and she didn't care nor bleed. She's also faster and more agile. Thanos has the H2H skill advantage though.Could also argue that Hela's possibly stronger than Thanos due to her grabbing, holding onto and shattering Mjolnir and this was before she landed on Asgard and seemingly powered up even more.
I wouldn't necessarily give him the h2h skill advantage. I mean, he beat up Hulk... who isn't exactly the most skilled h2h combatant out there. At least Hela was matching Thor and Valkyrie. Granted that was with weapons, so I'm not exactly saying she's better either. Just that it's inconclusive.
Originally posted by h1a8
Everyone sees the proof that we use high end feats FOR THE CHARACTER WE ARE ARGUING FOR. So what argument did I change?
Your original claim was that we "only" used high end feats. there is a rather large difference between using high end feats in an argument and only using high end feats.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I wouldn't necessarily give him the h2h skill advantage. I mean, he beat up Hulk... who isn't exactly the most skilled h2h combatant out there. At least Hela was matching Thor and Valkyrie. Granted that was with weapons, so I'm not exactly saying she's better either. Just that it's inconclusive.
I don't recall Hella really going H2H, partially why I defaulted to Thanos, and while Thanos did beat the crap out of Hulk who is little more than a brawler, he clearly showed high H2H skills, targeting weak spots (collar bone, kidneys), using punch combos, blocking and countering seamlessly, using his knees.
IMO, it's beyond clear that Thanos > Hela in H2H skills from what we've seen, or haven't seen in regards to Hela.
If this was a sword fight, I'd give Hella the advantage there.
Originally posted by Nevan
It's not like Thor's lightning would have done much to Thanos.Thor considers facing him without Stormbreaker suicide and when he actually hits him with lightning while he has Stormbreaker it doesn't visibly hurt him.
Thor considers facing Thanos with the IG suicide. There's a big difference there. Also, the lightning Thor hit Thanos with was not as big as the one he hit Hela with, and it already knocked him down and dragged him through the mud.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't recall Hella really going H2H, partially why I defaulted to Thanos, and while Thanos did beat the crap out of Hulk who is little more than a brawler, he clearly showed high H2H skills, targeting weak spots (collar bone, kidneys), using punch combos, blocking and countering seamlessly, using his knees.IMO, it's beyond clear that Thanos > Hela in H2H skills from what we've seen, or haven't seen in regards to Hela.
If this was a sword fight, I'd give Hella the advantage there.
In the beginning of Thor's fight with Hela in the throne room, Hela is unarmed while Thor has gungir.
I consider that a better h2h feat considering Thor is armed while Hela isn't, and Thor is a much better fighter than Hulk.
What made Thanos' skill impressive is because we never saw someone that massive and strong show such refined skill. But if you shrink him down to a regular sized fella and matched him against an unskilled brawler of similar size and strength, would it really have been as impressive?
Originally posted by FrothByteFair enough, forgot about that exchange, but honestly, she got hit a few times and parried the side of a spear upclose, that's not a better H2H showing than Thanos' combos imo.
In the beginning of Thor's fight with Hela in the throne room, Hela is unarmed while Thor has gungir.I consider that a better h2h feat considering Thor is armed while Hela isn't, and Thor is a much better fighter than Hulk.
What made Thanos' skill impressive is because we never saw someone that massive and strong show such refined skill. But if you shrink him down to a regular sized fella and matched him against an unskilled brawler of similar size and strength, would it really have been as impressive?
As I initially said, speed and agility (and should add acrobatics) she has that over Thanos.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Besides I specifically compared highest feats in particular categories for both. So I dont get why hed make an issue out of that.
My argument is for those who don't believe we all use only a character's high end feats when arguing for them.
Also you used a low showing for Thanos (he actually wasn't damaged when Hulk struck him). Unless you want to argue it's a high showing for Iron man and not a low one for Thanos.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, forgot about that exchange, but honestly, she got hit a few times and parried the side of a spear upclose, that's not a better H2H showing than Thanos' combos imo.As I initially said, speed and agility (and should add acrobatics) she has that over Thanos.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Hela is a better fighter. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't necessarily give Thanos the skill advantage because, although Hela did get hit, she was still fighting unarmed against an armed Thor... which I consider more difficult than outfighting Hulk. At least close enough in skill to not matter much.
Personally I give Thanos the advantage in mass and strength (unless we consider the Mjolnir shattering feat) and Hela the speed and agility. Skill is a washup, but Hela ends up winning due to HF.