I know it's an attempt to make people feel safer, and it seems like something needs to be attempted, but I'm unlikely to be convinced that throwing more guns into the mix is going to be an improvement. After all you don't put out a fire with fire. But of course the NRA is on board, no doubt. More gun sales for them. This lone-gunman hero narrative that is constantly touted rarely seems to play itself out. It's certainly more of the exception, not the rule.
Trouble psychopath kids will just go for the armed teacher first. Why would they care? They often are going in with a suicide mission anyway.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I know it's an attempt to make people feel safer, and it seems like something needs to be attempted, but I'm unlikely to be convinced that throwing more guns into the mix is going to be an improvement. After all you don't put out a fire with fire. But of course the NRA is on board, no doubt. More gun sales for them. This lone-gunman hero narrative that is constantly touted rarely seems to play itself out. It's certainly more of the exception, not the rule.Trouble psychopath kids will just go for the armed teacher first. Why would they care? They often are going in with a suicide mission anyway.
Do you wanna go with the "rare" route? Just saying, school shootings are rare too. Doesn't stop progressives from screaming about more gun control.
Originally posted by Surtur
Do you wanna go with the "rare" route? Just saying, school shootings are rare too. Doesn't stop progressives from screaming about more gun control.
Rare is a relative term. Rare in other parts of the world. Not so rare here in the States.
But that's not the point. 1 is too many. And we've had waaaaayyy too many.
I'm going to have a child in public school in a few years. I wouldn't feel any better even knowing some underpaid, poorly trained teacher has access to a firearm.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
And fu#k the way you always make it some Right vs Left thing.No one wants their kids getting shot up just going to school on a daily basis. Armed teachers will have fu#k-all to do with preventing it.
The NRA has far too much political pull. Enough said. Period.
Like someone else pointed out, it's about prevention. Ideally, a shooter wouldn't take the risk.
And in the worse case, an armed teacher probably couldn't make things much worse.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
And fu#k the way you always make it some Right vs Left thing.No one wants their kids getting shot up just going to school on a daily basis. Armed teachers will have fu#k-all to do with preventing it.
The NRA has far too much political pull. Enough said. Period.
Bro you gotta realize everything connects back to politics.
And yes I feel it is valid to point out that the "if it saves even 1 life" or "even 1 is too much" logic is selectively applied. Why shouldn't that be pointed out?
Especially when you could say the same about defensive gun usage: if it saves even one life...
Originally posted by cdtm
Like someone else pointed out, it's about prevention. Ideally, a shooter wouldn't take the risk.And in the worse case, an armed teacher probably couldn't make things much worse.
Risk what? Committing suicide like many of them are going in for anyway?
It's true, a teacher likely wouldn't make it much worse, but they also wouldn't be likely to help much either, especially if the shooter knows the teacher is armed. Easy fix: take out the teacher first.
Originally posted by Surtur
And yes I feel it is valid to point out that the "if it saves even 1 life" or "even 1 is too much" logic is selectively applied. Why shouldn't that be pointed out?Especially when you could say the same about defensive gun usage: if it saves even one life...
Please, with the ubiquity of gun access you can read in the news on any given day about some child coming across dad's loaded firearm and killing their sibling or themselves, etc. That kind of shit is a regular occurrence here and no one bats an eye. Gun violence is just a fact of life here. Hell, I had a patient who got shot as a bystander during a drive-by (in a different city than my own). Just in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was lucky that it was just a couple bullet entries on her lower leg.
"Save one life" with more guns... please. That's a non-starter if I ever heard one.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Please, with the ubiquity of gun access you can read in the news on any given day about some child coming across dad's loaded firearm and killing their sibling or themselves, etc. That kind of shit is a regular occurrence here and no one bats an eye. Gun violence is just a fact of life here. Hell, I had a patient who got shot as a bystander during a drive-by (in a different city than my own). Just in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was lucky that it was just a couple bullet entries on her lower leg."Save one life" with more guns... please. That's a non-starter if I ever heard one.
You are aware that even the CDC has said that defensive gun usage far outweighs gun murders, right?
I'm fully aware of weapons being useful as a deterrent to burglaries, robberies, etc.
But what we're talking about here is troubled psychopaths shooting a place up oftentimes intending to die. So why would they care if a teacher is armed?
Hell, they might even think it would be more fun that way. F*cked up as that may seem, it wouldn't surprise me.
Originally posted by Surtur
^Still curious. Teachers have easy access to scissors. They could have a mental breakdown and stab a student.Yes or no do we need to have a serious discussion about scissors in our schools?
The question you need to ask then is do scissors have any other purpose in schools other than as a weapon?
Originally posted by cdtm
Like someone else pointed out, it's about prevention. Ideally, a shooter wouldn't take the risk.And in the worse case, an armed teacher probably couldn't make things much worse.
Because school shooters are well known for their application of logical thinking before carrying out their intentions.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The question you need to ask then is do scissors have any other purpose in schools other than as a weapon?
I think that question would be irrelevant, tbh. The original point Surtur was making is that they could be used as a weapon. Doesn't really matter if they're used for other things in schools.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
I think that question would be irrelevant, tbh. The original point Surtur was making is that they could be used as a weapon. Doesn't really matter if they're used for other things in schools.
Not really because the logic is flawed. It can be applied to anything. You can kill someone with a textbook. You can kill people with many of the chemicals found in high school science labs. You can drown someone in a sink of water. Kill them with sports equipment. None of them are weapons and all of them have an actual purpose that is non-weapon related.