IW Thor vs Thanos with sword

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prove it.

Easily
Exhibit A
Thor charges Mjolnir with lightning before shooting it, multiple times.

Exhibit B
Thor's blasts (from his hammer) was shown to run out of juice, multiple times.

Exhibit C
Thor charged himself at the end of Ragnarok when he struck Hela with a bolt.
He used that charge to defeat the fodder and destroy some of Hela's weapons. Then the charge was completely gone.

Exhibit D
Thor charges the hammers in Endgame (before shooting at IM).

This is strong evidence showing that Thor and his hammers are able to hold a charge as well as that charge bring finite (not infinite).

Originally posted by h1a8
Easily
Exhibit A
Thor charges Mjolnir with lightning before shooting it, multiple times.

Exhibit B
Thor's blasts (from his hammer) was shown to run out of juice, multiple times.

Exhibit C
Thor charged himself at the end of Ragnarok when he struck Hela with a bolt.
He used that charge to defeat the fodder and destroy some of Hela's weapons. Then the charge was completely gone.

Exhibit D
Thor charges the hammers in Endgame (before shooting at IM).

This is strong evidence showing that Thor and his hammers are able to hold a charge as well as that charge bring finite (not infinite).

You do know that simply repeating your theory with fancier terms (exhibit a, etc.) doesn't magically turns it into proof right?

You can't prove your theory by repeating your theory.

He obviously didn't watch Ragnarok

Originally posted by FrothByte
He took 1 lightning shot from Thor and it smashed him to the ground and he was unable to get out of it till Thor stopped his lightning. And that wasn't even the biggest lightning blast we've seen Thor do. Are you going to apply a no-limits fallacy on Thanos then and claim that he can withstand limitless lightning shots just because he survived one?

He took 2 lightning shots from Cap. Only 2. And again he was unable to stop them or get out of them. Plus Cap has not shown to have the same lightning output or control that we've seen from Thor.

So again, please provide proof that Thanos can block or counter these lightning blasts.

He took them fine. We see him take one from Thor at the end of IW. He pops up immediately. They do not faze him.

His sword can deflect energy. We see him do so in the film. You need to prove your claims Thor can defeat anyone impressive with lightning spam.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am going to say you need proof of a tactic to claim it. I might as well argue Thanos throws the sword at his nutsack. The biggest lightning blast did not even harm Hela. It is not impressive. Thanos withstood SW who has the power to destroy the mind one.

He took them fine. We see him take one from Thor at the end of IW. He pops up immediately. They do not faze him.

His sword can deflect energy. We see him do so in the film. You need to prove your claims Thor can defeat anyone impressive with lightning spam.

Dude, a SINGLE lightning blast from Thor floored Thanos. So did the one from Cap. If a fighter gets completely knocked down by a single punch from another fighter, that means that fighter cannot withstand multiple punches of the same caliber.

If the lightning blast was ineffective against Thanos then it should never have knocked him down.

As for proof of tactic: watch the bridge fight in Ragnarok. Thor was spamming lightning blasts left and right.

So basically: I have proof that Thor can spam multiple lightning blasts and that a single blast can floor Thanos. You have no proof that Thanos can withstand multiple lightning blasts.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, a SINGLE lightning blast from Thor floored Thanos. So did the one from Cap. If a fighter gets completely knocked down by a single punch from another fighter, that means that fighter cannot withstand multiple punches of the same caliber.

If the lightning blast was ineffective against Thanos then it should never have knocked him down.

As for proof of tactic: watch the bridge fight in Ragnarok. Thor was spamming lightning blasts left and right.

So basically: I have proof that Thor can spam multiple lightning blasts and that a single blast can floor Thanos. You have no proof that Thanos can withstand multiple lightning blasts.

If I push a man down but he gets up unfazed it did no significant damage.

Yes, and it did next to nothing to anyone impressive such as Hela.

You have proof he can use it no proof it can even critically injure Thanos let alone beat him. Thanos beat two guys with lightning powers into the dirt.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do know that simply repeating your theory with fancier terms (exhibit a, etc.) doesn't magically turns it into proof right?

You can't prove your theory by repeating your theory.

Proof = evidence

If you disagree with any of the evidence then rebutt it. That's called debating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what? Thanos was relatively unharmed. Thor sent Hela back with the shot but he said it did nothing. It knocks you back but does not do real damage. Thanos was fine. Hela was fine.

If I push a man down but he gets up unfazed it did no significant damage.

Yes, and it did next to nothing to anyone impressive such as Hela.

You have proof he can use it no proof it can even critically injure Thanos let alone beat him. Thanos beat two guys with lightning powers into the dirt.

Lol, no. If you push a man who's actively resisting you and you push him hard enough to slam him on the ground, that's gonna hurt him. Unless you think football players who get tackled can easily take them without harm even without armor?

Hela has a healing factor and can take a spear thrust to the chest without pain. Are you saying Thanos is the same?

In any case, Thanos wasn't injured by the single lightning blast but he was definitely hurt. You don't get slammed on the ground and writhe like that if it doesn't hurt. So I'm still waiting for you to provide proof that he can tank multiple lightning blasts without issues.

Originally posted by h1a8
Proof = evidence

If you disagree with any of the evidence then rebutt it. That's called debating.

Well I'm glad you know what proof is. So where is your evidence that Thor gets drained? When has he ever tried to make lightning and it failed him because he was drained?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol, no. If you push a man who's actively resisting you and you push him hard enough to slam him on the ground, that's gonna hurt him. Unless you think football players who get tackled can easily take them without harm even without armor?

Hela has a healing factor and can take a spear thrust to the chest without pain. Are you saying Thanos is the same?

In any case, Thanos wasn't injured by the single lightning blast but he was definitely hurt. You don't get slammed on the ground and writhe like that if it doesn't hurt. So I'm still waiting for you to provide proof that he can tank multiple lightning blasts without issues.

Thanos was fine. Just as Hela was fine. She was thrown a far greater distance. Thanos beat two guys who wielded lightning rather easily.

Evidence and facts matter not conjecture.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos resisted power that destroyed an infinity stone. Hela fought on Asgard where her power greater. You need to prove your claim. You just keep repeating yourself with no evidence or examples.

Thanos was fine. Just as Hela was fine. She was thrown a far greater distance. Thanos beat two guys who wielded lightning rather easily.

Evidence and facts matter not conjecture.

I already proved my claim.

1. Thanos was unable to counter or block any lightning attacks from Thor or Cap.

2. Thanos was unable to get out from the lightning attack until Thor or Cap let up.

3. A single lightning strike slammed Thanos on the ground. This happened every single time he got hit by lightning blasts.

4. Any hit that's strong enough to slam someone to the ground is always strong enough to hurt them. Fact.

5. Thanos was writhing in pain when Cap hit him with lightning while he was already on the ground.

6. The lightning strikes that Thor and Cap hit Thanos with is nowhere near as big as the most powerful lightning blasts we've seen from Thor.

7. Thor is capable of spamming lightning from a distance, even while flying, and has already had multiple feats of doing so.

8. Thanos does not have Hela's healing factor. Therefore Hela's durability feats are not transferable to Thanos. Only an idiot would try to use such a tactic.

Now, where is your proof that Thanos can tank multiple lightning blasts from Thor?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I already proved my claim.

1. Thanos was unable to counter or block any lightning attacks from Thor or Cap.

2. Thanos was unable to get out from the lightning attack until Thor or Cap let up.

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3. A single lightning strike slammed Thanos on the ground. This happened every single time he got hit by lightning blasts.
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4. Any hit that's strong enough to slam someone to the ground is always strong enough to hurt them. Fact.
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Use a little common sense.

5. Thanos was writhing in pain when Cap hit him with lightning while he was already on the ground.
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Quit focusing on a jab connecting when Thanos later uppercutted and had him at his mercy. Thanos let up. Cap never did.

6. The lightning strikes that Thor and Cap hit Thanos with is nowhere near as big as the most powerful lightning blasts we've seen from Thor.

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7. Thor is capable of spamming lightning from a distance, even while flying, and has already had multiple feats of doing so.

8. Thanos does not have Hela's healing factor. Therefore Hela's durability feats are not transferable to Thanos. Only an idiot would try to use such a tactic.

Now, where is your proof that Thanos can tank multiple lightning blasts from Thor? [/B]

7. Who has he defeated while doing so? If you cannot give examples if him doing so then it is you just dismissing the character to reach a biased conclusion that fits your bias.

Thor wanted to kill Thanos. Was he able to do so at the end of endgame? Only an idiot would claim he wins easily whilevthe facts show us with help he loses badly.

8. Thanos has greater feats of durability. Soldier asgardians were able to pierce her armor.

The entire endgame sequence where he tanked hammer shots, shield tosses, Cap marvel attacks, Wanda infinity stone destroying power, and lightning to boot without being close to being physically beaten. Only an idiot would claim fodder lightning has a chance. Thor lost to Thanos. Multiple times in this film and in the previous one. Two weapons did not need help him. Thanos got in Thors head for 5 years and he still was not man enough to beat Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. We see him deferent energy with his sword. All characters knew the gravity of the situationso it is not reasonable to assume a pretty easy to perform tactic could defeat someone of Thanos skill. Thanos can attack, use his sword, and evade.

Not all energy is the same. You honestly think it's a good idea to block a lightning strike with a metal weapon? lol.

In any case, Thanos got shot by lightning 3 times and in none of those times was he able to block it. So if you want to claim he can do so, please provide some feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112

2. So you believe the intention of the scene portrayed this could have defeated Thanos had they not let up?

Possibly. At the very least, a prolonged lightning blast or repeated blasts should severely hurt and weaken Thanos considering even a single hit already had him squirming on the ground.

Originally posted by quanchi112

3. Ok and? If a jab hits a boxer more often than not but does not significantly damage or won do we assume only jabs win the boxing match? Do we completely set aside the skill and actions of the other fighter and ignore all reasonable inferences and assumptions assessing the totality of the scene.

A jab doesn't usually knock an opponent off his feet. A better comparison would be a right cross, and a right cross powerful enough to knock you down with a single hit is not something you can take repeated hits from. Especially not when you have no feats of being able to block it.

Originally posted by quanchi112

If someone pinches my arms that hurts but that dies not warrant beating me in a fight. It did not hurt him in any meaningful way and he withstood far more punishment on top of the lightning blasts and he still was not defeated or critically injured despite multiple heroes attacking him.

Use a little common sense.

A pinch doesn't knock you off your feet. Please use a bit of common sense. Name me one type of hit that can knock you down with a single hit yet won't hurt you and that you can take repeated hits from.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Who won the fight? Did it end with Thanos standing up and cap on his ass after he had two other heroes helping? Thanos broke his shield up and showed he was much more than Cap could handle despite a hammer, a shield, his skill, and lightning powers.

Quit focusing on a jab connecting when Thanos later uppercutted and had him at his mercy. Thanos let up. Cap never did.

Cap isn't Thor. Cap is a complete newb with his lightning powers and doesn't have a 10th of the lightning feats that Thor has.

Originally posted by quanchi112

6. We saw the biggest one which left him wide open to being attacked while taking moments to summon did not even harm Hela. Far less pierced her skin in the film too by weaker characters.

Again, Thanos is not Hela. Hela has an insane healing factor. You can't transfer feats between different characters that have very little in common.

Originally posted by quanchi112

7. Who has he defeated while doing so? If you cannot give examples if him doing so then it is you just dismissing the character to reach a biased conclusion that fits your bias.

Thor wanted to kill Thanos. Was he able to do so at the end of endgame? Only an idiot would claim he wins easily whilevthe facts show us with help he loses badly.

And Thor almost killed Thanos in IW. If Thanos hadn't tucked tail and ran Thor would have killed him. This is IW Thor we're talking about, not Endgame Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112

8. Thanos has greater feats of durability. Soldier asgardians were able to pierce her armor.

Hela wore no armor. But she also has a healing factor that Thanos doesn't have. Thor had no issue piercing Thanos with Stormbreaker.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not all energy is the same. You honestly think it's a good idea to block a lightning strike with a metal weapon? lol.

In any case, Thanos got shot by lightning 3 times and in none of those times was he able to block it. So if you want to claim he can do so, please provide some feats.
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I am not arguing he is untouchable I am arguing if he does get hit which he has by the lightning it will not be enough to defeat him. This is factually correct your case is based on your own baseless stance being accepted while ignoring the result of their fights on screen.

Provide examples of Thor using lightning to defeat someone impressive. If you cannot cite any examples then you are about as effective as joshs hilarious and dubious headcanon stances.

Possibly. At the very least, a prolonged lightning blast or repeated blasts should severely hurt and weaken Thanos considering even a single hit already had him squirming on the ground.

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A jab doesn't usually knock an opponent off his feet. A better comparison would be a right cross, and a right cross powerful enough to knock you down with a single hit is not something you can take repeated hits from. Especially not when you have no feats of being able to block it.
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We do not ignore the clear intention of Thor and cap trying as hard as they can to defeat Thanos and that both were unable to do so. They gas skill, weapons, and lightning yet both lost.

A pinch doesn't knock you off your feet. Please use a bit of common sense. Name me one type of hit that can knock you down with a single hit yet won't hurt you and that you can take repeated hits from.
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Cap isn't Thor. Cap is a complete newb with his lightning powers and doesn't have a 10th of the lightning feats that Thor has.
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Cap used the shield and hammer in tandem and showed he was a fierce and a competent wielder of his powers. Cap is combat ready. Thor has more feats because he held the hammer longer but Cap was competent and quite impressive wielding the hammer. If he did not know what he was doing how could he just summon lightning?

Again, Thanos is not Hela. Hela has an insane healing factor. You can't transfer feats between different characters that have very little in common.

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And Thor almost killed Thanos in IW. If Thanos hadn't tucked tail and ran Thor would have killed him. This is IW Thor we're talking about, not Endgame Thor.

Hela wore no armor. But she also has a healing factor that Thanos doesn't have. Thor had no issue piercing Thanos with Stormbreaker. [/B]

Your josh like delusions are about as compelling as your imagination arguments. Not based off facts or reason no one takes your fanboyism seriously.

She was not naked. That is clearly protective covering or armor of some kind. Surtur has no issue killing her with one stab. Hela did not resist stormbreaker which is greater than mjolnir so who cares?

Hela went toe to toe with Thor and he survived just fine. Thanos was about to impale him with his own weapon. Thanos is just too skilled for Thor or Hela. Stronger, more durable, and greater experience. You can ignore the filmmakers opinions, the fights, the evidence but you just come off as another josh. Who I like more I will argue for.

^ Will leave his to Froth, but Thor was beating on Hulk with his Lightning after he was no longer able to get the job done physically.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Will leave his to Froth, but Thor was beating on Hulk with his Lightning after he was no longer able to get the job done physically.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is Thor has the upper hand he did not win.

My point is he was using his Lightning to defeat an opponent he was losing against without lightning.

And it clearly worked. The fight completely switched once his lightning cane into play.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
My point is he was using his Lightning to defeat an opponent he was losing against without lightning.

And it clearly worked. The fight completely switched once his lightning cane into play.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was using lightning and his skill

He was using his skill the whole fight. But the fight completely turned when he used his Lightning.

So point is, Lightning clearly makes a massive difference.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was using his skill the whole fight. But the fight completely turned when he used his Lightning.

So point is, Lightning clearly makes a massive difference.