IW Thor vs Thanos with sword

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he was not just using lightning he used skill, momentum, and his strength. You exaggerate lightning and ignore the other variables. Thor did not win despite his lightning.

No, Ive compared him using Lightning to him not using Lightning. The other variables were already in place. Hence the difference was the power of his lightning.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No, Ive compared him using Lightning to him not using Lightning. The other variables were already in place. Hence the difference was the power of his lightning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So lightning alone you ignore. He was using strength, skill, and lightning which still was not enough. Thor always had the strength to hurt the hulk and we see hulk withstand lightning amped attacks with momentum. Hulk did not lose. Told you so. You and your excuses. Thanos beat the hulk whereas Thor has never done so.

What? Lol

Before the lightning shots Hulk was bashing his face in, after the lightning Hulk was badly losing.

I dont get whats so difficult to understand. Lightning and lightning alone made the difference. Deal with it crybaby.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What? Lol

Before the lightning shots Hulk was bashing his face in, after the lightning Hulk was badly losing.

I dont get whats so difficult to understand. Lightning and lightning alone made the difference. Deal with it crybaby.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor was beating on him in the fight too hulk had the momentum and Thor countered. Thor hurt him prior to the lightning andcwurh lightning because he has the strength to hurt him. Hulk weathered a Thor momentum lightning amped shot and was still ready for more. Lightning never defeated the hulk. Thor never defeated the hulk when he had a hammer too the first time. It must hurt you are wrong as I claimed. Thor still never beat him and hulk withstood lightning amped momentum punches.

Who says Hulk was ready for more? Lmao

He was getting his ass whooped and struggling to stay awake.

Lightning powered Thor is simply on another level to Hulk.

Everyone understands this except you.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who says Hulk was ready for more? Lmao

He was getting his ass whooped and struggling to stay awake.

Lightning powered Thor is simply on another level to Hulk.

Everyone understands this except you.

Thor did not win so the facts disagree. Your opinion on what has not occurred is simply bias. I go by the facts. Thor has yet to defeat the hulk despite his advantages.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it is an earthly metal weapon. His lightning even powers up Iron mans suit. If you are going to make a claim please prove it. You just continue the baseless claims.

Looks like metal, sounds like metal, performs like metal. If you want to claim that it is not a conductive metal then that's up to you to prove.

Ironman has a powersource capable of absorbing additional energy and redirecting it. Last I checked, Thanos' sword had no such power source.

The only one making baseless claims here is you. All of my claims are backed up with feats and logic. Yours are pure opinions.

Originally posted by quanchi112

And yet none of those were instances of him brunt even critically injured. Your claim this defeats him is absurd since he went on to impose his will in all instances.

Yes, because it was just a single shot. Same way I can probably take a single punch without injury but I won't be able to take multiple punches without injury. Problem here is that you have zero proof to show that Thanos can tank repeated blasts from Thor's lightning, not when one of them was enough to knock him down. That's like saying just because Thor was able to take one of Hulk's punches without injury that means he can take unlimited Hulk punches without issue.

You know you have no counter to this logic, so your argument basically boils down to applying a no-limits fallacy of "If a single hit can't automatically kill or injure someone, then it means they can withstand an unlimited amount of like hits".

Originally posted by quanchi112

I am not arguing he is untouchable I am arguing if he does get hit which he has by the lightning it will not be enough to defeat him. This is factually correct your case is based on your own baseless stance being accepted while ignoring the result of their fights on screen.

I never said it will only take 1 lightning strike to defeat him. It will take multiple lightning strikes plus possible a headshot from Stormbreaker. We already know he's powerless to escape from the lightning shot once it hits him. We know Stormbreaker can shop his head off. You do the math.

Nothing is stopping Thor from blasting Thanos continuously with lightning till he's softened up enough for a finishing move from SB.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Provide examples of Thor using lightning to defeat someone impressive. If you cannot cite any examples then you are about as effective as joshs hilarious and dubious headcanon stances.

Thor used it to take out Loki in their first fight when he was getting overwhelmed. He used it to take out multiple leviathans in one shot, leviathans who were powerful enough to destroy buildings by casually smashing into them. He used it to beat up Hulk in Ragnarok.

Now, please provide proof of Thanos being able to block or get out of lightning hits.

Originally posted by quanchi112

So his actions after said blasts do not lead you to believe he was fine? Did you see what he did to Cap after? Why do you ignore the end result in favor of your desperate headcanon. Thanos countered. He was not damaged in the slightest evident by his prolonged fight afterwards while incurring a lot more damage than fodder lightning.

His actions while getting blasted by the lightning leads me to believe they hurt him. Sure he was able to get up and continue fighting after the hit, but that was only one hit. Same way fighters are normally able to continue fighting despite getting hit once but doesn't mean they can take too many direct hits.

This is the main problem your brain is having a hard time wrapping itself around. A hit doesn't need to be an insta-kill shot to hurt somebody. Just because you can take one hit doesn't mean you can take multiple hits unless they've shown they can completely tank it. Thanos was never able to tank any of the lightning strikes Thor or Cap shot at him, therefore he can't withstand multiple shots of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112

it is not a literal comparison but it fits your criteria. Thors lightning is not as powerful as his weapons. We see Thor and hulk knock each other at great distances in their fight in Ragnarok but at that point neither guy was able to hurt them significantly. Thanos beat the hulk soundly but just because the director did not choose to have him fly back 30 feet we do not ignore what causes actual significant damage. Thanos soundly defeated the hulk Thor did not.

Yes, Hulk and Thor were able to knock each other away with punches and they were still able to continue fighting. That doesn't mean that they weren't getting hurt by those punches. Thor, for example, would not have been able to just lie still and allow Hulk to wail on him with punches and get back up after 5 minutes like it didn't hurt him.

Originally posted by quanchi112

We do not ignore the clear intention of Thor and cap trying as hard as they can to defeat Thanos and that both were unable to do so. They gas skill, weapons, and lightning yet both lost.

I've repeated this multiple times before. Cap is not Thor and does not have Thor's lightning feats. Endgame Thor is a shadow of his former self and nowhere near as impressive as IW Thor who is the one being discussed here. Fact is, Thanos was unable to stop IW Thor from embedding an axe to his chest... and that was him with the completed IG.

Originally posted by quanchi112

I did not say it does. A push could. I could keep getting up. You are trying to compare humans to characters who can resist stars, lol. The lightning never did any significant damage to Thanos. Thanos beat them both.

A push that is strong enough to slam you to the ground at the moment of impact is going to hurt you. You'd be a complete fool not to think so, unless you think getting tackled by someone doesn't hurt. Sure you can probably get up after one such explosive push... but let's not pretend you'd willingly subject yourself to multiple such tackles and think you'd be perfectly fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Cap used the hammer and shield like a pro. Yo act as if he was getting used to his powers while seeing him wield them is akin to trolling.

Cap used the shield and hammer in tandem and showed he was a fierce and a competent wielder of his powers. Cap is combat ready. Thor has more feats because he held the hammer longer but Cap was competent and quite impressive wielding the hammer. If he did not know what he was doing how could he just summon lightning?

So what? She cannot get up so based off your theory she can never resume her footing and her healing factor clearly has limits even on Asgard. Surtur.

Cap used hammer and shield great in melee but let's not pretend his lightning strikes where anywhere as impressive as what Thor displayed in Rangarok or IW. Claiming otherwise would make you a flat out troll.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Thanos won. He could have killed him with the snap. He was not there to kill Thor. His goal was killing half the universe. Thors goal was to stop and kill him. He failed on both accounts. He admitted in the film.

Your josh like delusions are about as compelling as your imagination arguments. Not based off facts or reason no one takes your fanboyism seriously.

Thanos completed his objective, yes, but he didn't defeat Thor. He was heavily injured while Thor wasn't and he escaped from Thor. No amount of word-play from your part will change that fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112

She was not naked. That is clearly protective covering or armor of some kind. Surtur has no issue killing her with one stab. Hela did not resist stormbreaker which is greater than mjolnir so who cares?

Thanos didn't resist Stormbreaker either, so that point is moot. You'll have to prove what Hela was wearing was armor. Go on, prove it.

Neither Hela, Thanos nor Thor have the destructive output of Surtur who's capable of destroying Asgard with a single blow. Please make sure that when you make comparisons, you're actually comparing relevant factors.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Hela went toe to toe with Thor and he survived just fine. Thanos was about to impale him with his own weapon. Thanos is just too skilled for Thor or Hela. Stronger, more durable, and greater experience. You can ignore the filmmakers opinions, the fights, the evidence but you just come off as another josh. Who I like more I will argue for.

We can go around this over and over again. Bottom line is Thanos doesn't have Hela's healing factor. If you want to make comparisons between their durability then you first need to prove Thanos' healing factor is just as strong as Hela's. Go on, show me some proof. Otherwise you just keep embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Looks like metal, sounds like metal, performs like metal. If you want to claim that it is not a conductive metal then that's up to you to prove.

Ironman has a powersource capable of absorbing additional energy and redirecting it. Last I checked, Thanos' sword had no such power source.
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The only one making baseless claims here is you. All of my claims are backed up with feats and logic. Yours are pure opinions.

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Yes, because it was just a single shot. Same way I can probably take a single punch without injury but I won't be able to take multiple punches without injury. Problem here is that you have zero proof to show that Thanos can tank repeated blasts from Thor's lightning, not when one of them was enough to knock him down. That's like saying just because Thor was able to take one of Hulk's punches without injury that means he can take unlimited Hulk punches without issue.

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You know you have no counter to this logic, so your argument basically boils down to applying a no-limits fallacy of "If a single hit can't automatically kill or injure someone, then it means they can withstand an unlimited amount of like hits".

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I never said it will only take 1 lightning strike to defeat him. It will take multiple lightning strikes plus possible a headshot from Stormbreaker. We already know he's powerless to escape from the lightning shot once it hits him. We know Stormbreaker can shop his head off.

Nothing is stopping Thor from blasting Thanos continuously with lightning till he's softened up enough for a finishing move from SB.
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If what you say is true why has Thornever once done so to anyone? Is he stupid? Do you always ignore what happens on screen in favor of your imagination and what your brain says happens. Thanos beat him multiple times in the films. Thor needs help against Thanos a d still came up on the short end of the stick.

Thor used it to take out Loki in their first fight when he was getting overwhelmed. He used it to take out multiple leviathans in one shot, leviathans who were powerful enough to destroy buildings by casually smashing into them. He used it to beat up Hulk in Ragnarok.
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Now, please provide proof of Thanos being able to block or get out of lightning hits.
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His actions while getting blasted by the lightning leads me to believe they hurt him.
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You gave no proof he cannot withstand multiple hits considering what else he withstood in this encounter. You need evidence. Thanos survived the stones in unison when they would kill most likely 98 percent of the other MCU heroes including Thor. Lightning. 😂

Evidence suggests lightning is not even close to what he has withstood.

Yes, Hulk and Thor were able to knock each other away with punches and they were still able to continue fighting. That doesn't mean that they weren't getting hurt by those punches. Thor, for example, would not have been able to just lie still and allow Hulk to wail on him with punches and get back up after 5 minutes like it didn't hurt him.

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I've repeated this multiple times before. Cap is not Thor and does not have Thor's lightning feats. Endgame Thor is a shadow of his former self and nowhere near as impressive as IW Thor who is the one being discussed here. Fact is, Thanos was unable to stop IW Thor from embedding an axe to his chest... and that was him with the completed IG.
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You need proof. Cap has always displayed far greater skill than Thor due to his weaker physicality and fights. No proof EG is lesser than just another baseless conclusion without any proof.

Thanos survived an axe to the chest and using the stones in unison that kills all of the avengers save Hulk. Lol. Thor lost. Thor had the element of surprise and still failed. He admitted he failed. He was there to stop Thanos and kill him. Thanos survived and killed 50 percent. Thor became depressed because he was so utter failure. Even his own mother admitted it. Thanos achieved his goal. He won.

A push that is strong enough to slam you to the ground at the moment of impact is going to hurt you.
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Cap used hammer and shield great in melee but let's not pretend his lightning strikes where anywhere as impressive as what Thor displayed in Rangarok or IW.
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He was worthy. That matters.

Thanos completed his objective, yes, but he didn't defeat Thor. He was heavily injured while Thor wasn't and he escaped from Thor.
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Thanos didn't resist Stormbreaker either, so that point is moot. You'll have to prove what Hela was wearing was armor. Go on, prove it.

Neither Hela, Thanos nor Thor have the destructive output of Surtur who's capable of destroying Asgard with a single blow. Please make sure that when you make comparisons, you're actually comparing relevant factors.

We can go around this over and over again. Bottom line is Thanos doesn't have Hela's healing factor. Otherwise you just keep embarrassing yourself. [/B]

She wears something so she is not naked thus my point is taken.

Thanos used the stones which used the most powerful display of energy in the cosmos not Surtur destiny destroying plunge.

She was oneshotted. Infinity stones are far more powerful than Surtur.

Your point is Thanos cannot counter which applies to Hela. Is her healing factor unlimited? Thanos resisted the stones used in unison whose power greatly exceeds small time Surtur.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk. He got up and was ready for more fighting. Is this another instance where you pretend something the scene clearly did not portray because of your bias. He got rocked but recovered. A jump lightning amped punch did damage him but he was fine. Thanos is the one who defeated the hulk with relative ease.

Thor did not win so the facts disagree. Your opinion on what has not occurred is simply bias. I go by the facts. Thor has yet to defeat the hulk despite his advantages.

Lol it was completely one sided. Where was Hulks parity? Was it when he was struggling to stay awake from 2 of Thors lightning punches? Was it when he failed to KO Thor with 15+ of his own punches in a row? Was it when he forfeited the fight?

There was no parity once the lightning came into play. You need to admit you were wrong if you wanna be taken seriously. Oh wait.. Trills don’t need to be taken seriously.

Hulk isnt even the strongest male on the Avengers. Ant-Man has better strength feats 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol it was completely one sided. Where was Hulks parity? Was it when he was struggling to stay awake from 2 of Thors lightning punches? Was it when he failed to KO Thor with 15+ of his own punches in a row? Was it when he forfeited the fight?

There was no parity once the lightning came into play. You need to admit you were wrong if you wanna be taken seriously. Oh wait.. Trills don’t need to be taken seriously.

Hulk isnt even the strongest male on the Avengers. Ant-Man has better strength feats 😂

Surviving the stones is greater than Am or Thor since they both were unable to do so. Only idiots ignore portrayals in favor of feats. Hulk is stronger than Thor. By a lot. Two thir arms try to grapple with one of the hulks. That is embarrassing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you feel you can prove your claim by all means do so. If you can just make worthless assumptions then you concede the claim. That is how debating works.

We see Thanos sword deflect energy in the battle. If you want to continue this charade of Thanos possessing some ordinary metal sword that can block Thors stormbreaker or deflect Iron Mans energy continue to act like the Thor fanatic we both know you to be.

You claimed Thor and cap both wielding lightning can defeat Thanos with this easy to use tactic. Your claims defy all logic and reason. The evidence shows Thanos is better than Thor, Cap, and tony not just Thor making your biased conclusion even more insane than usual.

You made the claim. I have asked numerous times of proof. You made the claim but just continue to repeat your position without any evidence. Put up or shut up. Thanos was not just hit by lightning he was hit by a hammer, punches, mjolnir, lightning, SW power who can destroy an infinity stone, carols attacks who can fly through ships and is the most powerful MCU hero as well. None of it even showed a critically wounded with collective damage he accrued yet without a single example of Thor doing so against a credible threat you expect me to accept your conjecture as a legitimate point.

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You need an example of the tactic to be a claim of merit. You would need to prove Thor can do it, has the power to use no limits energy or that of enough power to defeat Thanos when we have seen nothing to even allude to this preposterous position. If you cannot use evidence you are debating via josh tactics. Only seeing what you want, scripting the fight, and not citing any evidence which corroborates your point.

We do not know he cannot escape that is your position. So now you pretend he can do both simultaneously. We see in IW he does one then the other against a taken by surprise Thanos.

If what you say is true why has Thornever once done so to anyone? Is he stupid? Do you always ignore what happens on screen in favor of your imagination and what your brain says happens. Thanos beat him multiple times in the films. Thor needs help against Thanos a d still came up on the short end of the stick.

Thor did not take out Loki with lightning. He used multiple attacks, used the hammer, etc. Hulk palmed a Leviathan so to compare a Leviathan to Thanos us so cringe worthy you do not even deserve to be in this debate. Thor never beat Hulk with lightning plus had momentum and a punch that connected. That is not the same as spamming lightning as your claim. You are not even consistent in your arguments.

We see him block energy with his sword, weather lightning and counter. You have used no examples of Thor taking down anyone close to Thanos level via lightning spamming alone. You misreprented the Hulk fight with punches, other attacks, and disregarded his skill and the fact he did not win. You lied.

So did a hammer shot but not enough to seriously injure him or get him anywhere close to being defeated.

You gave no proof he cannot withstand multiple hits considering what else he withstood in this encounter. You need evidence. Thanos survived the stones in unison when they would kill most likely 98 percent of the other MCU heroes including Thor. Lightning. 😂

Evidence suggests lightning is not even close to what he has withstood.

Agreed but it does not mean those punches hurt more than punches that did not send them as far. That is the point. Neurher guy was defeated despite the weaponry and other attacks they used against each other.

You need proof. Cap has always displayed far greater skill than Thor due to his weaker physicality and fights. No proof EG is lesser than just another baseless conclusion without any proof.

Thanos survived an axe to the chest and using the stones in unison that kills all of the avengers save Hulk. Lol. Thor lost. Thor had the element of surprise and still failed. He admitted he failed. He was there to stop Thanos and kill him. Thanos survived and killed 50 percent. Thor became depressed because he was so utter failure. Even his own mother admitted it. Thanos achieved his goal. He won.

We are talking about a universe where guys can resist stars and you think a push is serious business. Gtfo. Thanos was fine after every lightning blast after he received more damage prior to and after like it was nothing. Quit with your real world trashy logic when we are talking about guys with this level of superhuman, strength, and durability.

Thor used lightning without the hammer because he has the innate power cap did not. He needs the hammer. Cap used it just as good as Thor. It connected to its target. Thor does not possess more powerful lightning and cap was adept enough to hit him. Cap looked better against Thanos than Thor in these moments. Cap did save his life. 🙂

He was worthy. That matters.

Thanos was not there to defeat Thor. He snapped his figure and achieved it. Just as Thanos left after starlord showed up after he acquired the time stone. He simply does not care. Thor failed in his mission. Thanos could blink him out of existence or use the stones for personal gain he did none of it.

Yes, he resisted the axe impaling him, then the stones damaging him while impaled.

She wears something so she is not naked thus my point is taken.

Thanos used the stones which used the most powerful display of energy in the cosmos not Surtur destiny destroying plunge.

She was oneshotted. Infinity stones are far more powerful than Surtur.

Your point is Thanos cannot counter which applies to Hela. Is her healing factor unlimited? Thanos resisted the stones used in unison whose power greatly exceeds small time Surtur.

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Ok, your rambling is getting way out of hand and is chock full of red herrings.

Choose one argument from that plethora of arguments above and let's concentrate on debating just that. Once we're done with that we can move on to the next one.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, your rambling is getting way out of hand and is chock full of red herrings.

Choose one argument from that plethora of arguments above and let's concentrate on debating just that. Once we're done with that we can move on to the next one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it was just in Thors favor.

Concession accepted.

Lightning put the fight Heavily into Thors favour.

Originally posted by quanchi112
As you always do in the end throw in the towel. Evidence shows Thanos beat up Thor and help. You need to provide something to override the facts in favor of your fight scripting tactics.

He said pick an argument. He doesnt have time to deal with your trolling.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Concession accepted.

Lightning put the fight Heavily into Thors favour.

He said pick an argument. He doesnt have time to deal with your trolling.

I responded to him point by point. He lied about evidence and pretended Thor has limitless lightning and fights out of character in a powetset fashion while ignoring the on screen depictions of the two fighting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
As you always do in the end throw in the towel. Evidence shows Thanos beat up Thor and help. You need to provide something to override the facts in favor of your fight scripting tactics.

Oh I concede that I have neither the patience nor the energy to keep up with your trolling. It's always been your tactic: put up a wall of text that keeps ever growing till your opponent gives up. I'm not putting up with it.

So pick a single argument and let's debate about that. Unless you admit that this is something you can't do?

P.S. - evidence shows that the only time Thanos fought IW Thor, Thanos was severely injured and escaped.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh I concede that I have neither the patience nor the energy to keep up with your trolling. It's always been your tactic: put up a wall of text that keeps ever growing till your opponent gives up. I'm not putting up with it.

So pick a single argument and let's debate about that. Unless you admit that this is something you can't do?

P.S. - evidence shows that the only time Thanos fought IW Thor, Thanos was severely injured and escaped.

Thanos was not ready and caught off guard with Thor springing into attack. Thanos is armed and ready so how is that relevant? Do you ever think about how stupid your responses are?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I responded to your text with text. You not having the determination to see anything through shows you are not cut out for debating.

Thanos was not ready and caught off guard with Thor springing into attack. Thanos is armed and ready so how is that relevant? Do you ever think about how stupid your responses are?

You responded with red herrings and strawmen arguments. Before I knew it, the argument was already far away from what it was.

But I'm glad you've decided to concentrate on a specific argument. Now, was Thanos also not ready and caught off guard when Cap slammed him to the ground with a lightning attack?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You responded with red herrings and strawmen arguments. Before I knew it, the argument was already far away from what it was.

But I'm glad you've decided to concentrate on a specific argument. Now, was Thanos also not ready and caught off guard when Cap slammed him to the ground with a lightning attack?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he was ready cap hit him. It was not enough to beat him. Thanos ended up beating the shit out of him and damaging his shield. This was not a fair one on one confrontation either. Thanos took on 3 at once.

Was Thanos able to block the lightning attack or get out of it on his own power?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Was Thanos able to block the lightning attack or get out of it on his own power?