Originally posted by FrothByte
Did she ever manipulate something as big as a nuke?
Nukes aren't big, unless you are referring to those PARTICULAR nukes.
The Wakanda feat where Wanda manipulated those big machines.
But that's moot anyway since exerting a force capable of damaging something more durable than Cap's shield is enough.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Thats debatable2) She can also fire energy blasts powerful enough to one shot massive starships
3) Shes also stronger and more durable than Thanos
Carol is just on a different level.
Carol only destroyed small vessels with her blasts.
But you missed my point.
Firing blasts is irrelevant due to being held in place, unable to move one's arms.
Carol is not more durable than Cap's shield.
Originally posted by h1a8
Nukes aren't big, unless you are referring to those PARTICULAR nukes.
The Wakanda feat where Wanda manipulated those big machines.But that's moot anyway since exerting a force capable of damaging something more durable than Cap's shield is enough.
Has Wanda ever manipulated anything as big as the nuke that CM pushed around?
Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
Doesn't Scarlet Witch have some kind of mind control power, from Age of Ultron, where she mind whammied the Avengers and mind controlled the Sokovians into leaving their houses for evacuation?
Yeah but we didn't really see much of it after AOU, don't think we saw it at all actually
Originally posted by FrothByte
Has Wanda ever manipulated anything as big as the nuke that CM pushed around?
You should be arguing why your question is relevant and why using force to damage something extremely durable is not relevant to using the same amount of force to stop both someone's flight and ability to move their arms.
Originally posted by h1a8
You should be arguing why your question is relevant and why using force to damage something extremely durable is not relevant to using the same amount of force to stop both someone's flight and ability to move their arms.
It's a simple yes or no question, why do you keep dodging?
Has Wanda ever manipulated anything as big as the nuke that CM pushed around?
Has Wanda ever destroyed anything as big as the ship that CM destroyed?
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's a simple yes or no question, why do you keep dodging?Has Wanda ever manipulated anything as big as the nuke that CM pushed around?
Has Wanda ever destroyed anything as big as the ship that CM destroyed?
I avoid the question because it's irrelevant and a waste of time.
If you disagree then prove why?
Originally posted by h1a8
I avoid the question because it's irrelevant and a waste of time.
If you disagree then prove why?
No, I'm not answering your question when you're unwilling to answer mine. You claim it's a waste of time yet you're willing to write multiple posts just to avoid it when a simple yes or no would suffice. So yeah, we both know you're being untruthful about why you don't want to answer.
Now: Has Wanda ever manipulated anything as massive as the nukes that CM has?
Originally posted by h1a8
Asking questions that you believe you know the answer to is not debating. It is trolling.You must ask only the questions that you honestly believe that you don’t know the answer to.
No, asking questions to counter someone else's argument is a valid form of debating. The fact that you don't want to answer it (and are wasting numerous posts trying to dodge it) is proof that you know the answer will weaken your argument and prove you wrong.
That's why you don't want to answer.
Originally posted by h1a8
Carol only destroyed small vessels with her blasts.
But you missed my point.
Firing blasts is irrelevant due to being held in place, unable to move one's arms.Carol is not more durable than Cap's shield.
Does she need to move her arms to fire energy? How does she fly again?
Proof regarding Carol vs Caps shield?
Holding a super brick like Thanos is one thing. Holding someone stronger and more durable, who can fly at immense speeds and fire ridiculously powerful energy blasts is something Very Very Different. So the onus of proof is on you here.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does she need to move her arms to fire energy? How does she fly again?Proof regarding Carol vs Caps shield?
Holding a super brick like Thanos is one thing. Holding someone stronger and more durable, who can fly at immense speeds and fire ridiculously powerful energy blasts is something Very Very Different. So the onus of proof is on you here.
Actually, he needs to prove that Wanda can hold Carol completely immobile. When Wanda lifted Thanos up in the air, he seemed able to still move his arms and legs, but because he doesn't fly he was completely helpless in the air.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, asking questions to counter someone else's argument is a valid form of debating. The fact that you don't want to answer it (and are wasting numerous posts trying to dodge it) is proof that you know the answer will weaken your argument and prove you wrong.That's why you don't want to answer.
Asking a question that you believe you know the answer to doesn't counter someone else's argument. It is called trolling.
Just directly state your argument, a question is unnecessary.
For example, just say, "Since Wanda didn't (or did) manipulate something as big as the nuke then ...."
Asking a question is stupid and a form of trolling.
With that said, you are also trolling by not addressing the fact that I showed why the answer to your question is irrelevant.
Breaking something of a sufficiently large durability proves that one can prevent another from moving (effectively).
If you disagree then state why.
Originally posted by FrothByteShe can destroy objects more durable than thanos or Carol can damage with their strength. Therefore she can immobilize Carol, or simply kill her with said attack.
Actually, he needs to prove that Wanda can hold Carol completely immobile. When Wanda lifted Thanos up in the air, he seemed able to still move his arms and legs, but because he doesn't fly he was completely helpless in the air.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does she need to move her arms to fire energy? How does she fly again?Proof regarding Carol vs Caps shield?
Holding a super brick like Thanos is one thing. Holding someone stronger and more durable, who can fly at immense speeds and fire ridiculously powerful energy blasts is something Very Very Different. So the onus of proof is on you here.
Wanda can use her TK powers to hold Carol in place due to her damaging something more durable than Cap's shield with that tk. In other words, her TK is strong enough to achieve this.
Originally posted by h1a8
Asking a question that you believe you know the answer to doesn't counter someone else's argument. It is called trolling.
Just directly state your argument, a question is unnecessary.For example, just say, "Since Wanda didn't (or did) manipulate something as big as the nuke then ...."
Asking a question is stupid and a form of trolling.
With that said, you are also trolling by not addressing the fact that I showed why the answer to your question is irrelevant.
Breaking something of a sufficiently large durability proves that one can prevent another from moving (effectively).If you disagree then state why.
Incorrect. A martial artist who can break a 1-inch thick wooden board is not necessarily someone who can bench press 300 lbs. On the other hand, a strongman who can bench press 500 lbs is not guaranteed that he can break that 1-inch wooden board.
Though both require strength, they're different kinds of strength. Destroying something of decent durability is not the same as being able to move/counter something that's exerting a great amount of opposing force.
Carol has the flight strength to travel through blackholes, stop a huge incoming missile and easily smash through ships. You claimed that Wanda has feats to prove she's stronger than that and can overcome Carol's flight strength. So, what are those feats?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Incorrect. A martial artist who can break a 1-inch thick wooden board is not necessarily someone who can bench press 300 lbs. On the other hand, a strongman who can bench press 500 lbs is not guaranteed that he can break that 1-inch wooden board.Though both require strength, they're different kinds of strength. Destroying something of decent durability is not the same as being able to move/counter something that's exerting a great amount of opposing force.
Carol has the flight strength to travel through blackholes, stop a huge incoming missile and easily smash through ships. You claimed that Wanda has feats to prove she's stronger than that and can overcome Carol's flight strength. So, what are those feats?
We are referring to TK (not strikes).
And ANYONE who can lift 500lb can break a 1in board. If you disagree then provide proof by an example.
Originally posted by h1a8
We are referring to TK (not strikes).
And ANYONE who can lift 500lb can break a 1in board. If you disagree then provide proof by an example.
You can't ask me to prove a negative. If you want to claim that being able to bench press 500 lbs automatically gives you the strength to break a 1 inch thick wooden board then you're the one who has to prove it.
I don't think you understand how difficult it is to break a 1 inch thick wooden board. Try it sometime. Go grab your chopping board at home and try to break it with a single strike.
And how do you think Wanda broke Thanos' sword? She didn't slowly crush it with her TK, she struck it with her TK. Thus the comparison to striking strength is apt.
Now, do you have any proof that Wanda is strong enough to counter Carol's flight strength or will you continue to dodge?