Scarlett Witch vs Captain Marvel

Originally posted by FrothByte
You can't ask me to prove a negative. If you want to claim that being able to bench press 500 lbs automatically gives you the strength to break a 1 inch thick wooden board then you're the one who has to prove it.

I don't think you understand how difficult it is to break a 1 inch thick wooden board. Try it sometime. Go grab your chopping board at home and try to break it with a single strike.

And how do you think Wanda broke Thanos' sword? She didn't slowly crush it with her TK, she [b]struck it with her TK. Thus the comparison to striking strength is apt.

Now, do you have any proof that Wanda is strong enough to counter Carol's flight strength or will you continue to dodge? [/B]

You are making a mistake. Although you can't prove a universal negative, you are claiming an existential negative (someone) which can and must be proven with a single example.

Even if you can't and we must accept your assertion without proof then this would imply that some person who can lift 300 tons can't necessarily break a 1in board and so forth. So in general, Carol can't necessarily break a 1in board with a headbutt.

See how stupid that is?

Anyway, just because you can't prove an universal negative does not make it true. Some things in fiction can't be proven. But evidence that leans more to one direction than not is what we go with. Otherwise most of the threads wouldn't go anywhere.

Ok. Let's say that you are right about Wanda striking the sword. Then she would kill Carol in one blow.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wanda manipulated big shit, and broke material stronger than Cap's shield.

Yeah, she did significantly damage Thanoscopter Blade... quite a feat indeed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Did she ever manipulate something as big as that nuke?

Yes she did in IW. She manipulated several objects whole total size was significantly larger than that nuke.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are making a mistake. Although you can't prove a universal negative, you are claiming an existential negative (someone) which can and must be proven with a single example.

Even if you can't and we must accept your assertion without proof then this would imply that some person who can lift 300 tons can't necessarily break a 1in board and so forth. So in general, Carol can't necessarily break a 1in board with a headbutt.

See how stupid that is?

Anyway, just because you can't prove an universal negative does not make it true. Some things in fiction can't be proven. But evidence that leans more to one direction than not is what we go with. Otherwise most of the threads wouldn't go anywhere.

Ok. Let's say that you are right about Wanda striking the sword. Then she would kill Carol in one blow.

Carol already busts through ships and you think she can't break a wooden board?

As for your "existential negative" claim, it seems you're trying to simply avoid posting proof. If you think that lifting/pulling strength equates to striking strength then go ahead and provide proof. Show me someone with no striking training able to break a 1 inch wooden board because they lift heavy weights. The fact that I already searched for something and can't find any is proof of my claim. If you want to claim otherwise then it's up to you to prove.

In any case, you claimed that Wanda can hold CM in place. Then you give an example of Wanda breaking something with a quick, single strike. That's not a feat of holding. If you had said Wanda can knockout CM with a blow then that would at least make more sense. But you're basically giving a feat that is very different from your imagined scenario.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Carol already busts through ships and you think she can't break a wooden board?

As for your "existential negative" claim, it seems you're trying to simply avoid posting proof. If you think that lifting/pulling strength equates to striking strength then go ahead and provide proof. Show me someone with no striking training able to break a 1 inch wooden board because they lift heavy weights. The fact that I already searched for something and can't find any is proof of my claim. If you want to claim otherwise then it's up to you to prove.

In any case, you claimed that Wanda can hold CM in place. Then you give an example of Wanda breaking something with a quick, single strike. That's not a feat of holding. If you had said Wanda can knockout CM with a blow then that would at least make more sense. But you're basically giving a feat that is very different from your imagined scenario.

She used flight strength and flew through them with her arms extended. Noticed that I said with a headbutt.

I broke a 1in slab on concrete in MA class when I was 19 with absolutely no training in striking. I could only lift 185lb at the time. My hand was sore for a week though.

You are basically saying that no matter one's lifting feats (even if it's millions) , it can't be proven that said character can break a 1in board.

And Wanda, in IW, manipulated several objects whose total size was significantly larger than that nuke.

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Proof that at best you got trained at a Mcdojo

Originally posted by Silent Master
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Proof that at best you got trained at a Mcdojo

It was definitely a mcdojo. Culty as phuck.
Anyway, I received no training on how to do it (maybe I snuck and did it?). I just hit it hard as I can. Messed my hand up too.

Breaking concrete is scam, they use unreinforced slabs that are designed to break easily.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Breaking concrete is scam, they use unreinforced slabs that are designed to break easily.

Possibly. I think the wooden boards are sketchy too.

Originally posted by h1a8
She used flight strength and flew through them with her arms extended. Noticed that I said with a headbutt.

I broke a 1in slab on concrete in MA class when I was 19 with absolutely no training in striking. I could only lift 185lb at the time. My hand was sore for a week though.

You are basically saying that no matter one's lifting feats (even if it's millions) , it can't be proven that said character can break a 1in board.

And Wanda, in IW, manipulated several objects whose total size was significantly larger than that nuke.

lol, no, that is not what I said. I said someone who can bench 500 lbs won't automatically be able to punch through a 1-inch wooden slab. I never said someone who can lift millions of tons couldn't break a 1-inch wooden slab. Please stop making stuff up.

Anyway, before I continue to dismantle your arguments I just want to make sure I understand where you're coming from:

Are you telling me you believe Wanda can easily hold Superman in the air and immobilize him completely?

Originally posted by h1a8
It was definitely a mcdojo. Culty as phuck.
Anyway, I received no training on how to do it (maybe I snuck and did it?). I just hit it hard as I can. Messed my hand up too.

Meh, a 1-inch concrete slab isn't that hard to break. As long as it's not reinforced, is of a decent length and you elevate it by its opposite ends you could just slam your palm in the center and it will break. Me and my friends used to steal some from a construction site back in our teen years just to smash them up and pretend how strong we were (though to be fair, those slabs/tiles were probably less than 1 inch). It's not that impressive actually.

The fact that you said you broke your hand against it makes me believe you're making that stuff up. Either you made it up or you're completely clueless on how to throw a punch.

Just grab a 1-inch slab of concrete and a 1-inch slab of wood of the same size then smash them on the ground. Chances are the concrete slab will break whereas the wooden slab just bounces.

And I'm not talking about those wooden boards used in martial arts demos. Those are specifically constructed to be brittle, such that you can hold them in your two hands and snap them in two. Some are even "pre-broken" and can be reassembled and rebroken multiple times. They're meant for demos, which is why you see them being broken even by someone who only taps at them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
lol, no, that is not what I said. I said someone who can bench 500 lbs won't automatically be able to punch through a 1-inch wooden slab. I never said someone who can lift millions of tons couldn't break a 1-inch wooden slab. Please stop making stuff up.

Anyway, before I continue to dismantle your arguments I just want to make sure I understand where you're coming from:

Are you telling me you believe Wanda can easily hold Superman in the air and immobilize him completely?

Then someone who can bench a million tons won't automatically be able to punch through a 1-inch wooden slab. Same logic.

Superman has nothing to do with the thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Meh, a 1-inch concrete slab isn't that hard to break. As long as it's not reinforced, is of a decent length and you elevate it by its opposite ends you could just slam your palm in the center and it will break. Me and my friends used to steal some from a construction site back in our teen years just to smash them up and pretend how strong we were (though to be fair, those slabs/tiles were probably less than 1 inch). It's not that impressive actually.

The fact that you said you broke your hand against it makes me believe you're making that stuff up. Either you made it up or you're completely clueless on how to throw a punch.

Just grab a 1-inch slab of concrete and a 1-inch slab of wood of the same size then smash them on the ground. Chances are the concrete slab will break whereas the wooden slab just bounces.

And I'm not talking about those wooden boards used in martial arts demos. Those are specifically constructed to be brittle, such that you can hold them in your two hands and snap them in two. Some are even "pre-broken" and can be reassembled and rebroken multiple times. They're meant for demos, which is why you see them being broken even by someone who only taps at them.

I didn't break my hand. My hand was sore. Those slabs were definitely an inch thick. I was surprised I broke one but didn't think it would hurt like hell.

Even if they are easy to break, it didn't feel like it. After all, I did not have training on how to strike the slab.

Originally posted by h1a8
Then someone who can bench a million tons won't automatically be able to punch through a 1-inch wooden slab. Same logic.

Superman has nothing to do with the thread.

Just answer the question: Do you believe Wanda has sufficient TK strength to completely immobilize Superman in the air?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Do you believe Wanda has sufficient TK strength to completely immobilize Superman in the air?

Lol I was thinking of asking him the same thing.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just answer the question: Do you believe Wanda has sufficient TK strength to completely immobilize Superman in the air?

Irrelevant question.

Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant question.

Of course it's relevant. If you truly believe the logic you formed regarding Wanda's powers then you wouldn't hesitate to apply that logic to Superman.

The fact that you're refusing to answer already tells me you want to apply a different standard when it comes to Superman, which means you don't really believe what you just told me regarding Wanda's ability to user her TK to immobilize CM.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol I was thinking of asking him the same thing.

Watch him dodge this question for the next 3 pages.