Top reasons to vote Trump in 2020...

Originally posted by TempAccount
[b]1. Pro-life:
Seriously wtf is this even mentioned? How many pro-lifer non-conservatives are there that you hope to convince to vote for Trump by bringing up this point?

Personally I am 100% pro-choice, anti-life up until the kid pops out of the womb. We have an over-population problem and frankly I don't want people who don't think they're responsible enough, financially secure enough, etc to be raising children so they turn out to become messed up anti-social/incels/mass-shooters.

I advocate very strongly for stem-cell therapy and research (for which aborted fetuses should be utilized for).[/B]

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The only reason I can see to vote for Trump is the dependent tax credit. And that's very short-sighted and selfish.

But then again, I guess that's why they do it. To suck you in like a moth to the flame.

Because Berny sucks. :3

Originally posted by TempAccount
As someone who could be identified as one of those labels, I agree.

The Asian bimbos will suck anyone's c0ck now-a-days for a green-card eh?

Anyway, will respond:

[b]1. Pro-life:
Seriously wtf is this even mentioned? How many pro-lifer non-conservatives are there that you hope to convince to vote for Trump by bringing up this point?

Personally I am 100% pro-choice, anti-life up until the kid pops out of the womb. We have an over-population problem and frankly I don't want people who don't think they're responsible enough, financially secure enough, etc to be raising children so they turn out to become messed up anti-social/incels/mass-shooters.

I advocate very strongly for stem-cell therapy and research (for which aborted fetuses should be utilized for).

2. Conservative Judges:Again, how is this point supposed to convince your average moderate to vote for Trump? I personally don't have any issues with his SCOTUS picks because I have faith that they will carry out their duties as judges and interpret the laws objectively and without regard for political agendas.

3. Cut Taxes/Economy: Yes, this is the primary reason why a president keeps/gains support from moderates. People who can put bread on the table want to maintain the status quo. Personally this is why I have (had) faith Trump.

4. Pro-Israel: Why the hell should your average non-jewish citizen give a flying f*ck about a country that has no bearing on their day-to-day lives? Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth IMO, but this does not affect my quality of life.

5. Destroy ISIS: Clearly this hasn't stopped the abundance of psychos killing people in the name of Islam. I have my own personal beliefs about ISIS being a US-funded entity in a proxy-war against Russia, but regardless what happens in Syria has no bearing on the average American's day-to-day life, hence why this is a shitty pro-Trump argument. Lol "Protecting America from external threats", when more domestic borns have mass-murdered than immigrants.

6. Religious Liberty: Personally think organized religion is stupid. As said before, I can't see too many moderates siding with Trump in 2020 based on his support for religious liberty given that this right hasn't been infringed on since the formation of the United States. Also the amount of religious people in this country continues to decline with the cessation of old generation. Young people don't need to express their personally insecurities in the same way.

7. Fake News: Glad Trump calls them out for their bullshit but how can you expect to win the 'mainstream' if you are viewed in such dim light by them? Also this isn't really pertinent to the average American's quality of life.

Skimmed over the democrat bashing (because I didn't want to lose any more IQ points). Saw fear mongering over antisemitism and gun confiscation as reasons why to fear the Democrats. Clearly those who watch this channel are stable geniuses with great reasoning skills when it comes to political decisions.

Exactly the type of media I'd expect flyattractor to watch.

Anyway, I personally will NOT vote for Trump if either of the following occurs:

A. Trump starts Iran-USA War, increasing the cost of living
B. Trump sustains USA-China trade war, increasing the cost of living
C. Another non-demented independent/libertarian candidate somehow gains enough traction to rival Trump.

I am an alt-rightist in theory, a moderate in practice, and a libertarian/liberal at heart. [/B]

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Reasons for me to vote Trump
>Pro-life, not a fan of abortion as a form of birth control, especially not ****ing third trimester abortion
>Conservative judges... yes the constitution is something to be conservative about... don't need more judges like RBG who say they would prefer the constitution to be a charter of positive rights rather than negative rights... someone like that really isn't devoted to the principles of the constitution. The judiciary is supposed to be devoted to the principles of the constitution, they're not supposed to create policy.
>Economy, prefer a more free market economy with less taxes, don't particularly want the role of government expanded to all these entitlement programs the democrats want.
>Immigration, I'm not as hardline on this as Trump is, but FFS I'm not really a fan of this open borders shit and Beto's "tear down already existing barriers" shit.
>Second Amendment, I am a fan of it. Don't own a gun so this doesn't personally affect my self-interest, but it's more a matter of principle.
>Religious liberty, let the ****ing baker control his labor and property according to his own conscience.
>Weird racial shit, I'm not a fan of the racial discrimination in colleges that is affirmative action, nor the idea of racial wealth redistribution that is reparations.

Reasons not to vote for Trump
>Trade War Bullshit, I'm a free trade guy, I like free trade, I am a fan of free trade, I think it is of mutual benefit. This would be more of a point against Trump if there were more than one or two democrats running who were legitimately more free trade than protectionist.
>Legalized Weed, both as a matter of principle, practicality, and my own personal self-interest. The war on drugs is bullshit.

Abortion is illegal after 24 weeks, that's towards the end of the second trimester. Only way abortions happen in the third trimester is due to extreme circumstances like the mother's life is danger and/or the fetus has an serious medical or genetic issue in which it wouldn't survive outside the womb.

Originally posted by Robtard
Abortion is illegal after 24 weeks, that's towards the end of the second trimester. Only way abortions happen in the third trimester is due to extreme circumstances like the mother's life is danger and/or the fetus has an serious medical or genetic issue in which it wouldn't survive outside the womb.

That doesn't seem to be what the democrats are arguing in favor of though, and to be honest I'm not much a fan of first or second trimester abortions either. You can disagree with my position, but it is my position, and the Republicans are clearly more aligned with me there than the Democrats.

Abortion is murder regardless of when it happens. It's why I always roll my eyes when I hear some pro-abortion leftist claiming some kind of moral high ground over conservatives over 2nd amendment rights or immigration law enforcement. Punishing a defenseless innocent unborn child over his or her parent's mutual f*ck-up is sick and is far more immoral than anything conservatives support. Conservatives don't actually support anything that is immoral.

The "Dey kill'n babiez!" using the late term abortion crutch is a fear tactic.

Not that most women look forward to any abortion, but if a woman has carried a fetus into her 3rd tri it's fairly safe to say she wants to be a mother and aborting it is not something she'd consider on a whim even if abortions had zero restrictions.

edit: Found this:

In 2003, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 26% of reported legal induced abortions in the United States were known to have been obtained at less than 6 weeks' gestation, 18% at 7 weeks, 15% at 8 weeks, 18% at 9 through 10 weeks, 10% at 11 through 12 weeks, 6% at 13 through 15 weeks, 4% at 16 through 20 weeks and 1% at more than 21 weeks. -snip

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Reasons for me to vote Trump
>Pro-life, not a fan of abortion as a form of birth control, especially not ****ing third trimester abortion

So what about rape victims being forced to come to term or do jail time?

What about tons of unwanted children? Struggling for limited resources?

What causes more suffering?

Originally posted by Robtard
Abortion is illegal after 24 weeks, that's towards the end of the second trimester. Only way abortions happen in the third trimester is due to extreme circumstances like the mother's life is danger and/or the fetus has an serious medical or genetic issue in which it wouldn't survive outside the womb.

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The religious Right be actin' like people having all sorts of 3rd trimester abortions just for fun. I mean, what the f#ck?

I honestly would like to know what the driving force is behind abortion being a staple issue.

I mean, besides the public reasons. Dig into socal issues, it's funny what you find. The separation of religion and government, for example, started because some very successful, very well connected lawyers were pissed at their children praying outside of their religion.

I won't fault them that, but it certainly had no higher moral authority behind it then angry parents with the clout to do something about it.

Protecting the lives of the unborn is likely the single biggest issue most true conservatives (of which Tomi Lahren is most definitely NOT one) care about. It has nothing to do with religion. Though Jesus Himself would no doubt never support such an inhumane practice you don't have to be a Christian to understand why denying an innocent child his or her basic right to life is wrong.

The right to life is the most fundamental of ALL human rights. It's why the founders mentioned it in the very first sentence or two of the Declaration of Independence along with the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So what about rape victims being forced to come to term or do jail time?

What about tons of unwanted children? Struggling for limited resources?

What causes more suffering?

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The religious Right be actin' like people having all sorts of 3rd trimester abortions just for fun. I mean, what the f#ck?

"These conservatives are really something, aren't they? They are all in favor of the unborn, they will do anything for the unborn, but once you're born, you're on your own! Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you, they don't want to hear from you. No neo-natal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing! If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're f***ed." -George Carlin

According to the CDC, only 1% of abortions happen after 21 weeks. Give credence to the logic that if a woman has carried that long, she intends to be a mother, barring something extreme.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
The right to life is the most fundamental of ALL human rights. It's why the founders mentioned it in the very first sentence or two of the Declaration of Independence along with the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

So, a woman's right to govern her own body isn't included in those freedoms of ours? See attachment...

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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So, a woman's right to govern her own body isn't included in those freedoms of ours? See attachment...

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I've suggested this same thing, before. What's the issue, here, other than pain and risk of death? I think more women die from surprise pregnancies, even in "top nations" than vasectomies. Right?

I think they should have a vasagel solution, free of charge, for all young men when they turn 12.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So what about rape victims being forced to come to term or do jail time?

What about tons of unwanted children? Struggling for limited resources?

What causes more suffering?

But I don't think someone being unwanted is just cause to end their life.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
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The religious Right be actin' like people having all sorts of 3rd trimester abortions just for fun. I mean, what the f#ck?

Also it's obviously not fun, it's a messy situation.

Originally posted by Robtard
"These conservatives are really something, aren't they? They are all in favor of the unborn, they will do anything for the unborn, but once you're born, you're on your own! Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you, they don't want to hear from you. No neo-natal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing! If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're f***ed." -George Carlin

Because I'm pretty sure the pro-life position holds that you aren't allowed to kill the baby after its born either.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't really have a stance on rape. It brings into conflict too many principles for me to actually be able to form a concrete position.

Well that's what will happen in Georgia where the bill passed apparently. Which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
But I don't think someone being unwanted is just cause to end their life.

Maybe not, but okay. So what about the rights of the woman to govern her own body? It seems many conservatives are all about personal rights until it comes down to a woman's right over her own uterus.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
As if there aren't pro-life atheists? I don't think valuing the protection of life is a uniquely religious position.

Not exclusively, sure. But in general yes, it tends to be more of a religious stance. And oddly enough you can find Bible verses where God himself seemingly induces an abortion. 🙄

No, conservatives aren't the hypocritical ones. All conservatives think everyone has a basic right to life no matter who they are unless they committ a heinous crime like, for example, taking the life of another person or attempting to take the life of one. When you do that you forfeit your right to life.

Leftists are the hypocritical ones, as always. They're fine with killing defenseless unborn children who have never hurt another soul but they think convicted murdering bastards should be shown mercy. That's sick.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
No, conservatives aren't the hypocritical ones. All conservatives think everyone has a basic right to life no matter who they are unless they committ a heinous crime like, for example, taking the life of another person or attempting to take the life of one. When you do that you forfeit your right to life.

Leftists are the hypocritical ones, as always. They're fine with killing defenseless unborn children who have never hurt another soul but they think convicted murdering bastards should be shown mercy. That's sick.