Or maybe there is legal grounds to ban guns...

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And honestly that's one of the main reasons I left the left aside from their identity politics, and a realization of the logical economic conclusions of the Lockean principles I ascribed to. The transformation of the government into the agent of responsibility rather than the individual is something that doesn't sit right with me.

My conviction is that the government's role is to secure people's liberties so they may have a private life, and that it is the role of the culture to encourage responsibility on the part of the individual in their private lives. Increasingly what I've been seeing however is the encouragement of a libertine culture suggesting that outside the bounds of government an individual should be encouraged to do whatever the **** they want, and that the government should invade people's liberties to reign in the excesses.

In other words, you are a student of the Michale P. Keaton school of rebellion. Got it.

Originally posted by Blakemore
2. It's not just a fetus, zygotes and embryos as well. Besides, the argument is it's still technically a human....

Originally posted by Emperordmb
1. I'm speaking of consensual sex and a pregnancy that won't kill the mother... you know like 98% of the abortions

2. Danger to the mother's life is an exception I'm willing to make.

3. Rape is something I am ambiguous on as taking either stance violates my principles and I am willing to admit when the extent of my ability to morally reason falls short of an answer.

Originally posted by Emperordmb

You might have honestly just made the most retarded arguments on this topic I've ever heard. Like... what in the actual **** lmao

Originally posted by Blakemore
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. 😆

Erm, the unborn child fundamentally uses the life of it’s surrogate because it’s life depends on it. It’s basic biology. Forget whether or not it has a voice in the issue — it doesn’t — but to say it doesn’t have a right to use it’s surrogate’s life is so inane I can’t understand what you were thinking.

Biology > Adam_POE’s philosophy on human rights.

Pregnancy represents a biologically-dependent relationship between a woman and a fetus? You don't say!

The issue is whether it is morally incumbent upon one to accede to a biologically-dependent relationship if she does not want to. Try to keep up.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No the argument he's making is much more retarded than that. His argument is that it's not murder because the death of the fetus is a side effect of the objective of terminating the pregnancy... really dumb shit.

Tbh, the birth control pill is abortion technically and I'm in favour of that. I'm not really that bothered about dead babies anyway. Who am I to determine a child's life or not? Im not it's mother.

Originally posted by Blakemore
ermm

1. A fact
2. the position that someone has the right to save themselves from death
3. a complete non-argument for a non-position

?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Pregnancy represents a biologically-dependent relationship between a woman and a fetus? You don't say!

The issue is whether it is morally incumbent upon one to accede to a biologically-dependent relationship if she does not want to. Try to keep up.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I think it's weird that a homosexual male has any interest in their vaginas anyway.

I support the radical notion that women are people, not incubators, with a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Weird.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What?

1. A fact
2. the position that someone has the right to save themselves from death
3. a complete non-argument for a non-position

?

Surely.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I support the radical notion that women are people, not incubators, with a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Weird.

Yeah. Adam thinks Babies come from FAERIES!!!!

Or some such nonsense.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I support the radical notion that women are people, not incubators, with a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Weird.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I support the radical notion that women are people, not incubators, with a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Weird.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Except for the whamen inside the uterus. She gets to have her head crushed by forceps.

Gotta love them Baby Back Ribs

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well if we're going to get all legally semantic about this, does that mean Hitler did nothing wrong? All the Jews in the gas chambers man, that was government sanctioned, certainly legal under Hitler's government. Is that not murder? Back when slavery was illegal if a slaver randomly killed their slave, would that not be murder?

Obviously the morality of those acts doesn't change regardless of whether or not it is state sanctioned, it's kinda disingenuous that you break out into semantics in order to pretend at some moral victory.

Some mad scientist vivisecting you is a misguided scientific procedure meant to cut your body and organs open and remove them to try and find whatever makes you gay. A consequence of that procedure is your death. Calling a mad scientist's vivisection of you in order to find the gay gene murder is an entire degree off.

You might have honestly just made the most retarded arguments on this topic I've ever heard. Like... what in the actual **** lmao

According to the bible, one is saved by faith, not works. So Hitler, who was a Catholic, went to Heaven because he believed in Jesus; and the 6-million Jews he had murdered went to Hell, because they did not. Tell me, is that moral?

The bible also endorses slavery, and provides instructions for both slaves and slaveholders. Tell me, is that moral?

You are in no position to make a moral argument about anything, because Christianity is completely at odds with morality.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]That is funny seeing as how Adam don't have to worry about making kids when He has sex. [/B]

But that doesn't stop him from trying to make babies. He will keep trying and trying to inseminate his partner.

And that's just beautiful. 🙂

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I support the radical notion that women are people, not incubators, with a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Weird.

In that case, then why do you support the mass-murder of unborn women via abortion? That's not very women's-rights supportive of you, now is it?

But your idea of "women's rights" only extends in special myopic cases that suit your anti-responsibility set of ethics, right? 🙂

Bodily autonomy...whew lads.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Except for the whamen inside the uterus. She gets to have her head crushed by forceps.

That's if we ignore what is and isn't legally a person.

If you're holding the stance that a fetus is a person, cool, you do that. You them sodomize yourself when you argue that women who have been raped should be allowed to have abortions as an exception, cos somehow that person ceases to be a person and has their right to life taken away because their biological father is a criminal.

Ohhh So Much Taken out of Context and Twisted.

Adam is such a Typical Leftist LIAR!!!!!!!!!

But then He thinks a dick in butt is really sex.

When it is not.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to the bible, one is saved by faith, not works.

Don't let the Christian evangelicals ruin the bible for you.

Faith without works is dead. They go hand in hand. You can't just hold your hands up and say, "I believe, dunk me now! " and you go to heaven.

A conversion of the heart and soul.

Then good works done in sincerity because of your conversion.

If you just profess to be a Christian but have no good works, you're not saved. You don't have faith. Faith implies action to do good.

I am not inventing this: this is all explained in the New Testament. Be sure and bring the hammer to Christians who failed to do their NT homework.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's if we ignore what is and isn't legally a person.

If you're holding the stance that a fetus is a person, cool, you do that. You them sodomize yourself when you argue that women who have been raped should be allowed to have abortions as an exception, cos somehow that person ceases to be a person and has their right to life taken away because their biological father is a criminal.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to the bible, one is saved by faith, not works. So Hitler, who was a Catholic, went to Heaven because he believed in Jesus; and the 6-million Jews he had murdered went to Hell, because they did not. Tell me, is that moral?

The bible also endorses slavery, and provides instructions for both slaves and slaveholders. Tell me, is that moral?

You are in no position to make a moral argument about anything, because Christianity is completely at odds with morality.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't let the Christian evangelicals ruin the bible for you.

Faith without works is dead. They go hand in hand. You can't just hold your hands up and say, "I believe, dunk me now! " and you go to heaven.

A conversion of the heart and soul.

Then good works done in sincerity because of your conversion.

If you just profess to be a Christian but have no good works, you're not saved. You don't have faith. Faith implies action to do good.

I am not inventing this: this is all explained in the New Testament. Be sure and bring the hammer to Christians who failed to do their NT homework.