It's difficult with Logan though; He has an undisclosed 6th sense that's allowed him to pick up on threats there were no way to perceive through the basic senses.
Here's the thing, batman's suit can conceal his scent and lower the noise he makes so along with his stealth that is why he has feats on sneaking up on kryptonians
However lets not pretend a super has never once found him or that he hasn't been found by less or outdone by less
Now Logan has also been outdone however unlike the supers he has centuries worth of experience dealing with stealth masters and even a number that had tech to help them
Logan picked up on a Shiva droid approaching him because he could smell the solder on it's circuit-boards:
The dude's picked up on "off" scents in the middle of a city from the edge of a wilderness.
having super senses and having the mindset to keep your head (metaphorically) on a swivel are two separate things. People fool and sneak up on Superman and MMH all the time
while Superman has better over all senses idk if his senses have been shown like Logan's.
I have to find scan but Logan can literally tell the difference between heroes from another dimension even though they're copies , he can sniff out things that don't even have a scent in sewers and can track a person even if they hadn't been there in days .
I've never seen superman do this.
You COULD argue He has wider range. But that doesn't mean better/equal to specific qualities/"match-ups."
Wolverine can sense peculiar shifts in air pressure offering potential threats.
Scaling to individual he's prepped for across decades =/= An answer for a guy who randomly senses ghosts.
You can post those wide range of senses but not the core concentration or versatility of them .
None of them people use their noses to see whole events .
They also can't make out individuals who have no scent among other more potent aromas.
you'd have to literally show Batman sneaking up on someone with not only pre cog level sense , you'd have to show him getting the drop on someone who can smell him from miles away in a sewer with absolutely no scent.
he can smell where air is being disrupted. A Scent vacuum. Unless you are intangible, it doesn’t matter if you have no scent. You will disrupt that pathways of scents in the air. That disruption he can detect
The question was CAN Batman sneak up on Logan. Not "will he every time." You bringing up Superman has caught Batman trying to doesn't invalidate DarkSaint bringing it up, when the topic is can he. It doesn't matter if Superman detects him 999 times out of a thousand, given the topic is CAN. Given some of Superman's sensory feats in scale, from detecting specific individuals because of their heart beat out of a city's worth, to hearing Kyle whisper "help" while in another star system(at least) even though there's no air in space, coupled with his mental processing, go a long way in countering your argument that he's not specifically a detect stealthy people type of character.
Also, though rarely used, Superman does indeed have a superhuman sense of smell and has done stuff like determining opponents were hard light constructs because they had no scent.
This is without addressing you dismissing other examples DS gave.
So to answer your question, yes, Batman can.
Won't let me quote you but.....you think Superman can't detect that stuff too? He has. I even cited him knowing opponents were hard light constructs due to lack of scent. He's detected pheromones. Has sensed tiny changes in air pressure. And, last I checked, Superman can hear more than a heart beat. If he can be woken up by Kyle whispering "help me" in at least another solar system if not galaxy(I don't think distance was given) then he should be able to hear Batman blinking. Yet, Batman has still gotten around without Superman noticing him, even if on occasion. Comics. Whether you like the answer or not, even if it's 1/1,000, the answer to your question is yes.
Are you protesting because you don't think he'd normally be able to and you very poorly worded your topic title, or are you arguing Batman can't ever sneak by him and don't like the arguments given?
YOU think he's sneaking up on Logan because he sneaks past characters who don't even consistently have heightened sense of smell?
You do know that some writers don't incorporate their senses into stories (either because they forgot they have them or because they just didn't care and needed it to work for the story) so in most cases it's as if they don't even have it.
Logan on the other hand, that's like one of his biggest things is that he has heightened senses, so the writers bring it up quite frequently and tend to utilize it more.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
YOU think he's sneaking up on Logan because he sneaks past characters who don't even consistently have heightened sense of smell?
You do know that some writers don't incorporate their senses into stories (either because they forgot they have them or because they just didn't care and needed it to work for the story) so in most cases it's as if they don't even have it.
Logan on the other hand, that's like one of his biggest things is that he has heightened senses, so the writers bring it up quite frequently and tend to utilize it more.
Writers not highlighting it doesn't mean it's not active given heightened senses is literally standard. Unless you can prove the writer specifically intended Superman didn't have all his senses enhanced, this argument is irrelevant.
You didn't answer my question. Did you mean "can he do it for a majority" and poorly worded it because fail is fail, or do you legitimately think Batman can't ever and don't like the arguments being used to show he can?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@deltaHearing is only blocking heartbeat, which isn’t useful against wolverine who can detect changes in air pressure, lack of scent, pheromones, etc.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Won't let me quote you but.....you think Superman can't detect that stuff too? He has. I even cited him knowing opponents were hard light constructs due to lack of scent. He's detected pheromones. Has sensed tiny changes in air pressure. And, last I checked, Superman can hear more than a heart beat. If he can be woken up by Kyle whispering "help me" in at least another solar system if not galaxy(I don't think distance was given) then he should be able to hear Batman blinking. Yet, Batman has still gotten around without Superman noticing him, even if on occasion. Comics. Whether you like the answer or not, even if it's 1/1,000, the answer to your question is yes.Are you protesting because you don't think he'd normally be able to and you very poorly worded your topic title, or are you arguing Batman can't ever sneak by him and don't like the arguments given?
Got to use the auto-quote, to the right of quote.
Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah but him sneaking up on logan is like him sneaking up on DD. I really dont buy that,
If he can sneak up on Superman, he can sneak up on Logan.Plus, being sneaky is one of those things Batman is just ridiculously good at. Like, his stealth is almost a superpower at this point.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is Batman, WITHOUT using smoke or flashbangs, or any tech, doing his stealth act. Cap wouldn't even find him.Despite being shot in the back, he disappears from some goons and kidnaps Two Face. IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. WHILST THEY'RE LOOKING AT HIM:
Yah, but those are some no name goons.
How about...Azrael? WHILST AZRAEL IS LOOKING AND TALKING STRAIGHT AT HIM:
Nah. How about Gotham AND Gotham Girl, both of whom are looking at him, and talking at him, and are using their Ultra Vision?
.....Nah. Gotham and Gotham Girl are nobodies.
How about hiding from the ENTIRE JLA for an hour?
Nah. How about MMH AND Superman, WHILST they're looking at him, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT (also, Aquaman, lol)?
Nah. HOW ABOUT Superman, WW, Zauriel, and THE FRIGGING SPECTRE, lol, in broad daylight?
.........He literally sneaks up behind them.
And this is all without smoke or blackout bombs or flashbangs. Just Batsy, sneaky sneaky. In some cases, in broad daylight, in front of people.