Race war! New Krypton/White Martians vs Marvel Universe

- Kryptonians [100,000, minus the Super-family]/White Martians[100,000] working together, all led by Zod, are teleported in the MU somewhere in the Milky Way Galaxy, alongside with all of their tech [essentially, all of New Krypton is teleported]

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The purpose:
- Take over the MU. That includes space empires like Kree, etc. Nobody at or above Galactus' level will intervene.
- nobody in the MU knows of their intention, or who they are
- they have 2 years to take over. They can pose as the good guys [i.e. Morrison's first JLA arc], they can steal tech, they can mind-wipe people to join their army, they can pose as normal people, different races etc. Any strategy they can think of, knowing that their intentions are unknown, is fair game.

The Martians are immune to fire.
The kryptonians have a 'set' power level - i.e. they don't lose their powers when not under a sun, or under a red sun, but they also can't sundip/sunamp. Think of it as Viltrumites.

Can they do it?

I don't think they can. Lets assume that the physical size of the MU is close to that of ours (i.e. 2E12 galaxies within the visible universe), and that each MU galaxy contains 1E6 inhabited planets on the average. This means that EACH individual martian and kryptonian would have to conquer an average of 160 000 planets PER SECOND for two years straight.

The only way would be to try to acquire the Infinity Gauntlet or some other artifact of universal+ power. But I guess Galactus+ level stuff is removed from the MU for the purposes of this thread.

Not that literally. They basically try to take over the 'main' centers of power.

They could certainly topple any single space empire upon which they chose to focus their attention.

The Skrulls are a possible exception to that, as their Super-Skrull tech could permit them to start making their own DC-level powerhouses once they get a good look at some, and they haven't had a single central state since Galactus ate their homeworld. That's a disadvantage in most respects, but distributed authority and infrastructure makes them harder to conquer than if all that were centralized for a conquerer's convenient seizure.

Beyond that, as Magnon pointed out space is BIG. 200k high-end DC types is going to steamroller any space fleet or planetary defenses they come up against, but there simply aren't enough of them to actually rule very much of it. Having White Martians subvert existing power structures via mind-control would be more efficient than overt conquest, but even with awesome Kryptonian computers helping keep a handle on the logistics and information flow, there simply aren't enough hours in their collective days to expand beyond a certain scale.

The best they could probably hope to achieve is to pick a galactic-scale power like the Shi'ar and replace their ruling elite with themselves while keeping the apparatus of state mostly intact (perhaps with a Neremani figurehead retained on the throne for publicity purposes).

They could then embark on wars of expansion with the millions (billions?) of Shi'ar forces doing the bulk of the conquering and ruling, but with a dozen or so NK/WM "advisors" on hand at any major battle to tip the scales in their favor. A handful could also be deployed to any occupied world that refuses to submit for some high-impact counter-insurgency backed by telepathy, super-senses, and lots of raw power.

That's still nothing like a universal-scale conquest, but they could do quite a bit wherever they direct their attention.

A single Cassandra Nova nearly brought the Shi Ar to its knees. You don't even need *several* advisors for it.

What would it take to take over Marvel? Well, let's see what's going on in the culmination of JA's tenure right now...

Frost Giants and OC Dark Elves. Hmm...

So there were 70 White Martians on Earth:

And by eating random, no-name telepaths (which Kryptonian tech can certainly help locate; they can easily just find some peaceful telepathic race in the MU) these 70 Martians could boost their powers a millionfold, without even needing to leave the planet, over galactic level distances:

And that's with utter domination. With races like the Shi-Ar, they wouldn't need to subjugate every single member of that empire - just the ruling elite.

Now there are 100,000 of them.

Shiar Empire, Asgard, Kree, Skrulls, Nova Corps, Earth, Eternals, all should be enough to win

Cassandra Nova alone nearly crippled the Shi Ar lmao

How is Cassandra relevant here

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How is Cassandra relevant here

I'm not here to teach you basic logic and comprehension.

stop being ignorant everytime.

theres a truck load of high tier energy manipulators and ppl who are untouchable and others who have serious hax abilities that can overcome white matrians and krptionians and a lot of magic users or ppl who have magic weapons or are powered by magic. strange and his various students will caue serious trouble. then star brand, the shi ar empoire the kree accusers and such is a lot of power to worry about, war skrulls, just nova prime and he quasar are serior issues wanda her son, warlock all serious problems for all those dc ppl. shit the isolationist is major trouble for them. that dude has all the powers of the mutants on earth. add Michael pointer the collective, or omega again serious shit. marvel has a lot of seriously haxy and dangerous ppl who are just on earth, and not cosmic beings

and those with cosmic awareness and those with high tier tp will know that an invasion is taking place

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How is Cassandra relevant here

If she alone can topple the entire Shiar, imagine what a planet of white Martians would do. The correlation is mind rape, just think on a much larger scale.

Also an army of this caliber without cosmics to stand in their way, would do the same to the DC universe as well. Minus PIS of course.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How is Cassandra relevant here

My God, you're seriously asking, aren't you?

they can do better than the annihilation wave that's for sure

I don't see anyone below abstract level stopping them

Originally posted by MrMind
they can do better than the annihilation wave that's for sure

I don't see anyone below abstract level stopping them

Tenebrous & Aegis are part of players of A wave no? I forget already

Originally posted by Demon of Heaven
Tenebrous & Aegis are part of players of A wave no? I forget already

OP disqualifies that level regardless if they are or not.

Originally posted by Delta1938
OP disqualifies that level regardless if they are or not.

Understand, was just saying not going to be above Awar army and company like someone suggested

Don't forget guys, the invaders also have two YEARS of one sided prep on their side. In the course of a few weeks (months?) the 70 Martians very nearly (as in 99.999%) converted the entirety of DC Earth's atmosphere into something that was incapable of supporting fire, by modding electrons in every oxygen molecule. Whilst quietly amping themselves.

OP, does the Phantom Zone also exist here? We haven't even gone into Kryp tech, which includes technology that rewrites DNA on the fly....