I don't see them winning. Sure they took on earth but only for story purpose, in a debate we can discuss how lubricous that was lol. Also having prep time is a great stuff but earth has a watcher who basically warns them of any attack, if anything marvel earth will have more prep time logically.
But since this isn't limited to earth but the entire universe they loses horribly, this would include the skrulls who can shapeshift but has better tech than the martians,the krees ,Shi'ar, Asgard,technarchies,phalanx etc..
As powerful as the kryptonians are, the Shi'ar control more than one galaxy,they have bomb that can destroy galaxies, time travel devices,sun destroyers etc..
and they have a whole planet of Kryptonian equivalent beings on ***** mode with the strontians.
The post takes the marvel universe completely out of characterization to all but ensure a kryp/Mars victory. Keeping in character the shiar, kree, spartoi, and skrull won't be trusting no matter what. The badoon and chituari don't **** with anybody. Thanos and the black order REALLY don't **** with anybody. Black panther ALWAYS preps against people he doesn't know. Certain lesser known but smart superheroes like night thrasher will be just like black panther and study and plan in those 2 years. Iron man will have a plan in his back pocket too. So unless the OP want us to believe the marvel universe is full of dummies that won't catch on in a 2 year time frame then it's still a marvel win.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But OP has said that they have two years, knowing that their intentions are.....UNKNOWN.
Lmao. Can YOU read?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless they hide in the Phantom Zone. The White Martians were able to move in and out with their tech. Working with the Kryps? They can all hide in there if needed.No gravitational disturbances. With their TP enabling instant communication across distances.
And even if Phil were to go back and alter the thread stipulations to exclude such a thing, they'll still be having to set up their plans out in the primary universe where there's risk of discovery.
For that matter, there's a good chance that a new realm/dimension like the Phantom Zone suddenly popping up in the Marvel Universe is going to be noticed by someone. The OP excluded Galactus level beings and above, but there are still a whole lot of sub Galactus inter-dimensional beings who run their own realm that are going to notice and may even try to take over their new "neighbors". The fall out from such a ruckus is also something that someone like Dr. Strange might notice. If nothing else, Earth's got Uatu to clue them in.
Personally, given the sheer amount of leg work that's going to need to be done I don't see the invaders being able to remain concealed and successfully take over the whole universe.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but they're not arriving with a plan already in mind, they gotta figure out and agree on what to do after their arrival I believe and the op specified that they're teleported into the milky way galaxy, not the phantom zone... so there will definitely be a gravitational disturbance even if they teleport the planet and everyone into the phantom zone a minute after they arrive.And even if Phil were to go back and alter the thread stipulations to exclude such a thing, they'll still be having to set up their plans out in the primary universe where there's risk of discovery.
For that matter, there's a good chance that a new realm/dimension like the Phantom Zone suddenly popping up in the Marvel Universe is going to be noticed by someone. The OP excluded Galactus level beings and above, but there are still a whole lot of sub Galactus inter-dimensional beings who run their own realm that are going to notice and may even try to take over their new "neighbors". The fall out from such a ruckus is also something that someone like Dr. Strange might notice.
Personally, given the sheer amount of leg work that's going to need to be done I don't see the invaders being able to remain concealed and successfully take over the whole universe.
Well, you might as well argue they spend their two years fighting each other and arguing etc, lol.
Personally, I saw the intention as them arriving, working together with a set plan, and with 2 years to implement said plan. Don't see the PZ as being teleported into the MU (OP doesn't say it is, merely that it is available for the White Kryps), so not seeing why Mephisto or Dormammu et al are suddenly going to get alerted to new neighbours.
Now, IF the said plan is to hack Stark, for example, or the Baxter Building, then yeah, ok, Reed's antivirus might alert him and then their cover might be blown etc. But if it isn't so overt, I reckon they can stay hidden until such time as needed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, you might as well argue they spend their two years fighting each other and arguing etc, lol.Personally, I saw the intention as them arriving, working together with a set plan, and with 2 years to implement said plan. Don't see the PZ as being teleported into the MU (OP doesn't say it is, merely that it is available for the White Kryps), so not seeing why Mephisto or Dormammu et al are suddenly going to get alerted to new neighbours.
Now, IF the said plan is to hack Stark, for example, or the Baxter Building, then yeah, ok, Reed's antivirus might alert him and then their cover might be blown etc. But if it isn't so overt, I reckon they can stay hidden until such time as needed.
The phantom zone doesn't currently exist anywhere in the Marvel omniverse, in order for it to function for this thread it definitely seems like it's going to have to suddenly start existing within Marvel's inter dimensional space unless Phantom Zone projectors have some history of having multi-omniversal teleportation.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆
Well, you might as well argue they spend their two years fighting each other and arguing etc, lol.Personally, I saw the intention as them arriving, working together with a set plan, and with 2 years to implement said plan. Don't see the PZ as being teleported into the MU (OP doesn't say it is, merely that it is available for the White Kryps), so not seeing why Mephisto or Dormammu et al are suddenly going to get alerted to new neighbours.
Now, IF the said plan is to hack Stark, for example, or the Baxter Building, then yeah, ok, Reed's antivirus might alert him and then their cover might be blown etc. But if it isn't so overt, I reckon they can stay hidden until such time as needed.
Except for one thing - they don't arrive with a set plan. They are simple teleported there, with basic knowledge, and working together to take it over. The plan itself can simply be concocted with TP near instantly, anyway.
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The purpose of this thread is not some side-quest like 'will Mephisto get bothered by it and try to rent land in the Phantom Zone?' -- obviously. NK/WM simply have access to it, the same way they would in the DCU, and that's the extent of it. How it 'fits' into the cosmology of Marvel is irrelevant - think of it as always being there in Marvel, think of it as being in DC but them still having access to it - it doesn't matter. Why do some people have to be so autistic?
Do I need to make a storyline on why the kryptonians and white martians are working together, too? How their personalities don't clash? Maybe write some erotica between Zod and a female White Martian uniting the races?
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Originally posted by darthgooberWho notices and what happens?
They're not guaranteed to stay unknown for the entire 2 years though, it's highly likely that if they're spreading themselves out over the whole universe to set up for massive covert coop that someone is going to mess up and get discovered. Especially if a brand new planet just suddenly appears in the milky way. That kind of thing that causes far reaching gravitational disturbances that people who look to the stars are going to notice.
Originally posted by Philosophía
👆Except for one thing - they don't arrive with a set plan. They are simple teleported there, with basic knowledge, and working together to take it over. The plan itself can simply be concocted with TP near instantly, anyway.
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The purpose of this thread is not some side-quest like 'will Mephisto get bothered by it and try to rent land in the Phantom Zone?' -- obviously. NK/WM simply have access to it, the same way they would in the DCU, and that's the extent of it. How it 'fits' into the cosmology of Marvel is irrelevant - think of it as always being there in Marvel, think of it as being in DC but them still having access to it - it doesn't matter. Why do some people have to be so autistic?
Do I need to make a storyline on why the kryptonians and white martians are working together, too? How their personalities don't clash? Maybe write some erotica between Zod and a female White Martian uniting the races?
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Who notices and what happens?
As for what happens when... they alert others.
Originally posted by darthgooberWho let the Avengers know when there was a Rogue Planet heading on a collision course with Earth?
Who notices a massive gravitational flux... any number of people. Virtually anyone with cosmic awareness or an astrophysics lab might be the one to notice. Or cosmics on a lower scale than Galactus like Epoch or Uatu.As for what happens when... they alert others.
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And if they notice the planet, why would they let the Avengers/whomever else know?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Carver, are you some sort of reverse-Candyman? When somebody says Frankenstein a few times you disappear?
Where are you with Frankenstein?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Who let the Avengers know when there was a Rogue Planet heading on a collision course with Earth?---
And if they notice the planet, why would they let the Avengers/whomever else know?
Carver, are you some sort of reverse-Candyman? When somebody says Frankenstein a few times you disappear?
Because an entire planet appearing out of nowhere is noteworthy and a potential threat. Lots of people want to keep track of that kind of thing.
Originally posted by darthgooberTony's grandkid from the future needed to tell them? Are you sure it was not Epoch/Uatu who warned them with their cosmic awareness?
Wasn't it Tony Stark's grandkid or someone like that?Because an entire planet appearing out of nowhere is noteworthy and a potential threat. Lots of people want to keep track of that kind of thing.
Wasn't it Epoch/Uatu who also told everybody on Earth about the shape-shifing Skrull invasion taking place right under their nose, and that was easily averted in its inception?
How weird!
I don't think you understand how big the galaxy is, how many planets there are, how gravity works i.e. spitting lines like 'massive gravitational flux' from New Krypton appearing is flat-out hilarious etc. There's aprox. 400,000,000,000 suns and 800,000,000,000 planets in the Milky Way. Not only is New Krypton a small drop in the pond - you're also assuming that it gets teleported somewhere where it will disturb some orbits to get somebody to notice - when there's literally light-years between, for example, our solar system, and the next one.
There's zero reasons for anybody to alert anyone. Nobody goes "Oh shit, instead of 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy, there's 100,000,000,001, better alert everybody we can!!!".
See, this is why I put this stipulation at the beginning, to avoid shit like this:
- nobody in the MU knows of their intention, or who they are
They act incognito, nobody is actively searching for them, or their intention - that's the whole point of this thread. Unless they make mistakes [i.e. like Saint said, they try to steal from somebody like Tony, and he has counter-measures. What would happen then? Would they manage to kill him before he warns everybody else? Would that matter? etc. etc.] or openly engage, nobody purposely seeks them out or counter preps for them.
If I wanted to have "NK/WM vs the entire Marvel Universe attacking them almost the instant they're there", I'd have said so.
Instead of talking about strategies, how they'd invade empires, how successful they can be, how they'd do on Earth, what would their plan be - we're here like "wut about the PZ in Marvel Cosmology? Muh 1 planet in trillions of Celestial Bodies being investigated because Uatu pages everybody"
Originally posted by Philosophía
Tony's grandkid from the future needed to tell them? Are you sure it was not Epoch/Uatu who warned them with their cosmic awareness?Wasn't it Epoch/Uatu who also told everybody on Earth about the shape-shifing Skrull invasion taking place right under their nose, and that was easily averted in its inception?
How weird!
I don't think you understand how big the galaxy is, how many planets there are, how gravity works i.e. spitting lines like 'massive gravitational flux' from New Krypton appearing is flat-out hilarious etc. There's aprox. 400,000,000,000 suns and 800,000,000,000 planets in the Milky Way. Not only is New Krypton a small drop in the pond - you're also assuming that it gets teleported somewhere where it will disturb some orbits to get somebody to notice - when there's literally light-years between, for example, our solar system, and the next one.
There's zero reasons for anybody to alert anyone. Nobody goes "Oh shit, instead of 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy, there's 100,000,000,001, better alert everybody we can!!!".
See, this is why I put this stipulation at the beginning, to avoid shit like this:
They act incognito, nobody is actively searching for them, or their intention - that's the whole point of this thread. Unless they make mistakes [i.e. like Saint said, they try to steal from somebody like Tony, and he has counter-measures. What would happen then? Would they manage to kill him before he warns everybody else? Would that matter? etc. etc.] or openly engage, nobody purposely seeks them out or counter preps for them.
If I wanted to have "NK/WM vs the entire Marvel Universe attacking them almost the instant they're there", I'd have said so.
Instead of talking about strategies, how they'd invade empires, how successful they can be, how they'd do on Earth, what would their plan be - we're here like "wut about the PZ in Marvel Cosmology? Muh 1 planet in trillions of Celestial Bodies being investigated because Uatu pages everybody"
If you want to ban anyone noticing anything is awry go ahead, I mean it's your thread. I was just saying that I happen to think someone's gonna notice.
Originally posted by darthgooberMoving the goalpost? Abandoning your position of 1 planet being added in a random position, to a galaxy containing trillions of stars and planets, black holes, supernovas, empty space and constant reconfigurations, being a "'massive gravitational flux'" that Uatu certainly detects and alerts everybody? That's about as massive as a grain of sand on a beach. I give you an example of rogue planet literally being flung at Earth and crickets from 'teh cosmic awareness flks' [lol], I give you examples of one of the most famous events in Marvel, where
Of course there are stories where the heroes aren't warned, but are you honestly going to act like the heroes being warned of some anomaly/potential threat almost never happens? Have you really missed the numerous instances of heroes discovering some massive plot before it reaches fruition?
You're hilarious as always, goob. Try reading some comics, some astronomy books [if you want to talk about shit you currently know nothing about], and most of all, try to read OPs:
The purpose:
- Take over the MU. That includes space empires like Kree, etc. Nobody at or above Galactus' level will intervene.
- nobody in the MU knows of their intention, or who they are
- they have 2 years to take over. They can pose as the good guys [i.e. Morrison's first JLA arc], they can steal tech, they can mind-wipe people to join their army, they can pose as normal people, different races etc. Any strategy they can think of, knowing that their intentions are unknown, is fair game.
And I repeated:
They act incognito, nobody is actively searching for them, or their intention - that's the whole point of this thread. Unless they make mistakes [i.e. like Saint said, they try to steal from somebody like Tony, and he has counter-measures. What would happen then? Would they manage to kill him before he warns everybody else? Would that matter? etc. etc.] or openly engage, nobody purposely seeks them out or counter preps for them.If I wanted to have "NK/WM vs the entire Marvel Universe attacking them almost the instant they're there", I'd have said so.
This has been clear from the first post. Saint is a gentleman, but I'm not. So if you're illiterate, please try to improve yourself.
Stop derailing the thread with absurd shit, like the one above, or "where does the PZ fit in Marvel Cosmology? What does Mephisto think of it? Do they have multi-Omniversal [I lmao'd at this] PZ projectors?"