War With Iran

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No ive asked you to justify to me how and why a government official is a terrorist, which you refuse to discuss.

You see Surt this is called having a closed mind. When you have pre-conditions and conceptions people must accept before they can even enter a discussion with you.

Terrorists (as far as I understand) are rogue groups who specifically target innocent civilians to put terror into them.

And sure yeah im not on your side, or on Robs side, or on the Ayatollahs side. Its about right and wrong. Not sticking by your family or tribe even if theyre beating on an old grandma.

I get it bro you aren't on my side or robs but i'll be god damned if your views don't align with that side more often. It's a coincidence and we shall move on.

Oh your shit about terrorism? Dumb as hell, the definition:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

This can apply to random terrorists or even guys sad folk are willing to cuck for like iranian generals.

Originally posted by Surtur
Cuz u came off like a gas lighting little troll, but hey assume bad faith if you need to I will allow it.

But I have admitted he was murdered by Iran elsewhere, so we could move on but hey if you wanna continue on it okay we can squabble some more about when Iran murdered him. You want to? Did you wanna argue it's more justified to kill someone on a base or something? Go for it. Make the argument now please.

Yeah you admitted it after refusing to answer my questions on it and accusing me of trolling. If you just discusses it with me and answered to me where youre getting your info from, then you could have realised yourself and admitted wrong at that time.

FYI I was only asking because after googling “people die after Iran attack on US Embassy” I could only find an attack in 1979, which just left me thinking somethings not adding up here.

I press you to at least question your own narrative properly and get your facts straight before taking a stance.

I will apologize for questioning your stuff about where the guy was murdered by Iran. See we have people here who would come at me if I said water was wet just cuz I'm the one saying it. I assumed you were pulling that shit and my bad you weren't 👆

So this is even worse to me though. Murder, then more attacks?

I was legit underestimating the amount of attacks by these f*cks. Thank you for educating me and showing me Iran is even worse than I thought.

Darth Thor showed me Iran was worse than I thought, good man 👆

Originally posted by Surtur
I will apologize for questioning your stuff about where the guy was murdered by Iran. See we have people here who would come at me if I said water was wet just cuz I'm the one saying it. I assumed you were pulling that shit and my bad you weren't 👆

You're right I shouldn't have assumed I am too used to dealing with trolls like Rob that I assume bad faith. I gotta work on acknowledging the fact not everyone is that sad.

Darth Thor provided a service today 👆

To your question, Surtur, I am not too sure about assassinating any generals from any country for their killing of an American citizen or planning to further kill Americans in the Middle East who are involved with military operations and military occupations.

Here's why: they wouldn't be killed if they weren't there to begin with.

America has an occupation problem. We think we should be policing the world. This results in many contractors (I was almost one of them: offered to go to Iraq to over see network infrastructure rebuilding efforts in Bagdad WHICH I DEFINITELY TURNED DOWN) being hurt or even killed while our Military Industrial Complex continues to wage wars and soft wars all over the world.

What happens if we just...stop spending trillions of dollars occupying other countries' lands? What happens if we end ALL of our wars, ALL of our occupations, bring all of our troops home, bring all of our contractors home, and focus on security and infrastructure projects in our own country? Do you think we'd have to worry about cartel wars happening on American soil anymore? What if our military also built housing and infrastructure here in the US? Spending billions on US infrastructure instead of billions on other countries infrastructure?

Sounds awesome, right?

Originally posted by Surtur
You're right I shouldn't have assumed I am too used to dealing with trolls like Rob that I assume bad faith. I gotta work on acknowledging the fact not everyone is that sad.

Darth Thor provided a service today 👆

You're playing the victim and blaming me for your error or lie. SMH.

I agree bro let's leave but here is where we get sucked in: folk argue we did shitty things to this place in the past so we have to be there. How long should we be there? They can't say. How many should we allow them to kill? They can't say.

But apparently some people decades ago did some shit and we gotta keep paying penance. So we pay reparations with american deaths.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're playing the victim and blaming me for your error or lie. SMH.

I'm saying the trolling I've seen is why I initially didn't explore his claims more but I will try harder 🙂

Originally posted by Surtur
I agree bro let's leave but here is where we get sucked in: folk argue we did shitty things to this place in the past so we have to be there. How long should we be there? They can't say. How many should we allow them to kill? They can't say.

Iraq voted for us to leave. Majority vote.

No excuse anymore. None.

So we either respect their autonomy or we violate their autonomy.

We should pull out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Persian Gulf in general. People keep using the excuse that we MUST protect our foreign interests. That's just big oil propaganda and big Military Contractor propaganda to keep the hundreds of billions of dollars of their financial interests moving.

Biden and Warren also have big oil interests in this, too. Why don't Republicans oppose foreign soil occupation stuff, more? Oh, because the GOP is just as guilty if not more guilty than the Dems when it comes to this specific topic.

Edit - And if a country wants our help, they can pay for it. If they cannot afford it, we don't help them. "But genocides!!!!!" Until we can afford to prevent the 1/5 starving children problem we have, every day in the US, we shouldn't care about genocide in other countries. We need to put our own gas mask on before we help other countries. This does not stop private citizens from forming militias and helping foreign countries with whatever.

I read about that but I also read a lot of people didn't show up for the vote?

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm saying the trolling I've seen is why I initially didn't explore his claims more but I will try harder 🙂

I'm simply used to people like you arguing with me just for the sake of it and you're doing it right now lol.

Not gonna indulge it more, was just explaining to darth that I shouldn't have defaulted to assuming that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Iraq voted for us to leave. Majority vote.

No excuse anymore. None.

So we either respect their autonomy or we violate their autonomy.

We should pull out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Persian Gulf in general. People keep using the excuse that we MUST protect our foreign interests. That's just big oil propaganda and big Military Contractor propaganda to keep the hundreds of billions of dollars of their financial interests moving.

Biden and Warren also have big oil interests in this, too. Why don't Republicans oppose foreign soil occupation stuff, more? Oh, because the GOP is just as guilty if not more guilty than the Dems when it comes to this specific topic.

Edit - And if a country wants our help, they can pay for it. If they cannot afford it, we don't help them. "But genocides!!!!!" Until we can afford to prevent the 1/5 starving children problem we have, every day in the US, we shouldn't care about genocide in other countries. We need to put our own gas mask on before we help other countries. This does not stop private citizens from forming militias and helping foreign countries with whatever.

When that first broke and tthere was a crazy scramble to play it off that the letter was just a draft and not serious, Trump insisted that the US would not be leaving.

Honestly can't say what he'll do now. Ignore the Iraqi demand or capitulate.

What do you think he should do?

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm simply used to people like you arguing with me just for the sake of it and you're doing it right now lol.

Not gonna indulge it more, was just explaining to darth that I shouldn't have defaulted to assuming that.

You blamed my "trolling" for your actions... It's in the post...

Opinion noted moving on.

Originally posted by Surtur
What do you think he should do?

If a country asks us to leave, we leave. Otherwise we're still invaders.

Originally posted by Surtur
Opinion noted moving on.

It's not an opinion when you literally did what I said. It's in your post, you can go back and read it...