Blue Marvel vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....no it's not a racial issue.

For a start, you don't know my ethnicity lmao.

Sentry has speed feats. Namor would lose. Hyperion has speed feats. Blue Marvel? Erm......

Is this a sexism issue? Because she's a woman? Lmao see how easily it can be turned on you?

All I asked for were feats of his antimatter being powerful enough to not be considered 'potent'. That's all lol.

Because a bloodlusted Diana is going to stand there?

His blasts are an effective part of his arsenal. And his power use is diverse:

https://m.imgur.com/lMotU64

BM has fought both of the above evenly and defeats a version of one. None of them out speed him.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
His blasts are an effective part of his arsenal. And his power use is diverse:

https://m.imgur.com/lMotU64

BM has fought both of the above evenly and defeats a version of one. None of them out speed him.

'A version', apparently, is what passes for feats now? Lol.

So you think those guys were fighting with speeds on par with a bloodlusted Diana? I mean, Carver has shown some feats, but I'm sure I can post some of her speed feats as well?

Honest question. I mean, after all I can show speedsters being hit in comics, are you seriously going to argue that their opponents possess that level of speed as well?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you're the one who always talks about feats. Who has he taken out, on his own, with blasts alone?

I cant show you what you're asking for because he doesnt use his blasts against opponents. Example, in his fight against Hyperion, he blasted him but not directly. The blast circled around Hyperion body (intention NOT to kill) but it still damaged him.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant show you what you're asking for because he doesnt use his blasts against opponents. Example, in his fight against Hyperion, he blasted him but not directly. The blast circled around Hyperion body (intention NOT to kill) but it still damaged him.

It circled around Hyperion's body, and yet Hyperion nearly shit on himself from the pain huh?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'A version', apparently, is what passes for feats now? Lol.

So you think those guys were fighting with speeds on par with a bloodlusted Diana? I mean, Carver has shown some feats, but I'm sure I can post some of her speed feats as well?

Honest question. I mean, after all I can show speedsters being hit in comics, are you seriously going to argue that their opponents possess that level of speed as well?

Yeah a version that was easily as powerful as the one that cut Namor's head off, or the one that has given Thor, Hulk, and Gladiator a hard time.

Originally posted by Stoic

Yeah a version that was easily as powerful as the one that cut Namor's head off, or the one that has given Thor, Hulk, and Gladiator a hard time.

And yet a punch from a weakened and injured Exiles Sasquatch had him on his knees for a period

Originally posted by carver9
I cant show you what you're asking for because he doesnt use his blasts against opponents. Example, in his fight against Hyperion, he blasted him but not directly. The blast circled around Hyperion body (intention NOT to kill) but it still damaged him.

Ok. So you don't have any showings of it's potency.

So my initial statement, that is not as potent, still stands. Thanks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'A version', apparently, is what passes for feats now? Lol.

So you think those guys were fighting with speeds on par with a bloodlusted Diana? I mean, Carver has shown some feats, but I'm sure I can post some of her speed feats as well?

Honest question. I mean, after all I can show speedsters being hit in comics, are you seriously going to argue that their opponents possess that level of speed as well?

All Hyperions are versions, since none of them are indigenous to 616. King Hyperion is able to effectively fight two other versions because he bloodlusts.

Now tell me why would BM not possess that level of speed? He has no history of being blitzed or dominated speedwise the way that Hulk, Thor and Surfer have. BM is actually a character with practically no low showings.

There was never any indication of Miss America having superspeed until Monica observes her moving in slow motion while Monica is in light speed mode. No blur lines before or after and when BM knocks out Ultimate Hulk, we see a blur circle that is indicative of a speed attack. What kills me is this speed dominance commonly embraced by DC fans that isn't supported by the comics.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok. So you don't have any showings of it's potency.

So my initial statement, that is not as potent, still stands. Thanks.

He presented the attack on King Hyperion. I showed the diverse use of his energy. Youbrepo d by splitting hairs.

Current Diana is a lord of Chaos. She destroys Blue Marvel 10/10.

dude...seriously....

Read the OP. Current versions!

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Read the OP. Current versions!

It says standard power levels.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
All Hyperions are versions, since none of them are indigenous to 616. King Hyperion is able to effectively fight two other versions because he bloodlusts.

Now tell me why would BM not possess that level of speed? He has no history of being blitzed or dominated speedwise the way that Hulk, Thor and Surfer have. BM is actually a character with practically no low showings.

There was never any indication of Miss America having superspeed until Monica observes her moving in slow motion while Monica is in light speed mode. No blur lines before or after and when BM knocks out Ultimate Hulk, we see a blur circle that is indicative of a speed attack. What kills me is this speed dominance commonly embraced by DC fans that isn't supported by the comics.

Forum rules, brah.

A character like the Flash is not going to get hit by someone substantially slower than him unless they have some counter to his powers. Simple as that. Wally West isn't Superman (and I'm going to get in to this in a later post). He can't afford to get hit more than once or twice before it starts to actually impact his ability to win the fight. And this, at the end of all of this ranting on the subject, is where I try to lay it out as best as I can:

The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight. Every superhero or supervillain has a minimum amount of effort and competence that they will utilise going in to a fight. For villains that's usually a higher starting point because they like to not hold back, sure, but the heroes aren't going to be stupid either. They are not going to self-sabotage, and they will not let pride, ego or forgetting they have a way to win the fight to get in the way.

-If you put Flash up against someone that can't beat him without PIS, that's not his fault. That's yours.
-If you put Shadowcat up against someone that can't get around her intangibility without PIS, that's not her fault. That's yours.
-If you put someone up against Xavier that can't get past his telepathy to push him down the stairs, again, that's not his fault. That's yours.

WW is bloodlusted here. She has her standard gear (not getting into Golgo's points, lol). So that's her sword, shield, lasso, tiara.

You say BM has no low showings. But neither does he have ANY high speed feats, either. All you are doing is scaling off his opponents....well, WW has fought and tagged Flash, care to match speed feats between Flash and Namor? Flash and Hyperion? Sentry? I mean, this is the character who blocked the Omega Beams in her first appearances, then stabbed DS' eyes out. Said beams were nearly hitting Flash. She's pretty much the best at dealing with long range energy attacks - and the Omega Beams are way more versatile than BM's antimatter.

At the end of the day, for BM to win, WW has to stand there and allow herself to get hit. Or to slow herself down just so he has a chance.

But this is a forum fight, not a comic fight.

We have DS (at pretty much point blank range; certainly shorter than the 500m both combatants start at):
https://imgur.com/a/FGkcF

Apollo (not the Wildstorm guy):
https://imgur.com/a/WVbUH

Cheetah (although this was when she was GoW):
https://imgur.com/a/JLzXN

Zod (Whilst fighting Faora at the same time):
https://imgur.com/a/q9xJH

Reverse Flash:
https://imgur.com/a/gJLuG

HV:
https://imgur.com/a/T09J0

Supergirl (who was fighting Flash evenly, but SPECIFICALLY says she's too fast:
https://imgur.com/a/MfQwX

But yeah, somehow, BM is going to be able to get a bubble around her as she stands there and lets him bubble her up. A bloodlusted WW, no less.

So again you're saying that he has absolutely no way to hit her, or he won't be able to because he's too slow, while Aquaman had no problem hitting her. Blue Marvel , and the guys that he has hit are all much faster than Aquaman. And it does work that way sport. It's their powers that give them ability strength. You didn't prove anything other than your intent to ignore on panel evidence. His blast hurt King Hyperion who is probably more durable than she is in general. A version of Hyperion was also able to fight evenly in a heated battle with Gladiator, or are you going to also pretend that Gladiator is slow? At this point, I can see how heavily you lean to one side that you're even resorting to lying.

Originally posted by Stoic
So again you're saying that he has absolutely no way to hit her, or he won't be able to because he's too slow, while Aquaman had no problem hitting her. Blue Marvel , and the guys that he has hit are all much faster than Aquaman. And it does work that way sport. It's their powers that give them ability strength. You didn't prove anything other than your intent to ignore on panel evidence. His blast hurt King Hyperion who is probably more durable than she is in general. A version of Hyperion was also able to fight evenly in a heated battle with Gladiator, or are you going to also pretend that Gladiator is slow? At this point, I can see how heavily you lean to one side that you're even resorting to lying.

Yes, I am saying she is too fast for him. Slower characters tag fast characters in comics all the time; Flashs greatest enemy is a gorilla with normal stats, lol. If you want to play who tags whom, Batman becomes the greatest Leaguer lol. On panel, in a canon comic.

In a forum fight with PIS off, no, unless you have some speed feats of BM?

Wait are you sharing ALL Hyperion feats together now? Jeez.

But yeah, read the ruling I quoted above.

That's fine. You are dependent on forum rules to make your case. In unrestricted debate based strictly on the canon comics where the characters officially reside, he wins IMO.

WW is too experienced, skilled and fast to lose.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's fine. You are dependent on forum rules to make your case. In unrestricted debate based strictly on the canon comics where the characters officially reside, he wins IMO.

So in comics where PIS is able to reign supreme (where slow characters can tag faster characters) then sure.

I mean, you've literally not shown any speed feats from BM. And have just shown what, him fighting King Hype? The same one who was gettingtagged by depowered Juggy (hardly known as a speedster) and weakened Sasquatch?

So does that mean they're all the same in terms of speed?

Meanwhile, I've got actual speedsters like Supergirl explicitly saying she's too fast for her. I have Omega Beams which were chasing Flash, being deflected at close range by her bracelets. The gap in showings is too far.

Blue Marvel's speed:

https://imgur.com/a/Fi5IjCB

https://m.imgur.com/a/0R4SNkQ