Originally posted by TheHulkster
Blue Marvel's speed:
Finally, something....ish.
The inevitable question, of course - how fast is Rodstvow? Because he defeated BM, who admitted he was unable to stop him in that dimension.
Here is the issue I have with 'speed lines' as an indication of speed.
It's not.
I know it's a common thing in anime, so I can understand people's love for it.
Street levellers do it all the time - and I would NOT call them speedsters.
Here's a weakened Robin doing it:
Here's Batman doing it:
Sure, it's not exactly the same as the BM example - but my point still stands, I think.
In BM's case, there is an extremeness of speed lines to the point of being awashed in them when he charges Rodstvow. Along with that, we see two individuals who are quite visibly affected by the force of his movement when he runs between them and Rodstvow has absolutely no time to react.
Rodstvow's motion towards BM shows classic speed lines accompanying ghost images that are overwhelmingly used to portray extreme speed and BM effectively counters that attack with a good amount of speed lines accompanying his counter. If you look at the entire fight between the two teams, you hardly see speed lines with any movements of the other characters except for Monica in her light form.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
In BM's case, there is an extremeness of speed lines to the point of being awashed in them when he charges Rodstvow. Along with that, we see two individuals who are quite visibly affected by the force of his movement when he runs between them and Rodstvow has absolutely no time to react.Rodstvow's motion towards BM shows classic speed lines accompanying ghost images that are overwhelmingly used to portray extreme speed and BM effectively counters that attack with a good amount of speed lines accompanying his counter. If you look at the entire fight between the two teams, you hardly see speed lines with any movements of the other characters except for Monica in her light form.
So you're saying his speed lines are what, twice as extreme as Robin's? 10x? Even at 100x as extreme (lol), you're essentially saying BM is 100x faster than a street leveller. Because you're basing it all off art lines, which is extremely subjective. And this is pretty much all we have as proof of Marvel's speed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying his speed lines are what, twice as extreme as Robin's? 10x? Even at 100x as extreme (lol), you're essentially saying BM is 100x faster than a street leveller. Because you're basing it all off art lines, which is extremely subjective. And this is pretty much all we have as proof of Marvel's speed.
I also included the full body ghost images accompanying speed lines with regard to Rodstvow as well as the evident strain on the two metahumans caused by the force BM generates. Zum inflicts less strain on the citizens he passes by:
Dont understand why speed is the main topic here but I'll participate. Flies from New York to Greece, defeats an enemy and return during mid convo...
https://m.imgur.com/2BiVUuM
https://m.imgur.com/vJlGhWM
https://m.imgur.com/zQERLP8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I also included the full body ghost images accompanying speed lines with regard to Rodstvow as well as the evident strain on the two metahumans caused by the force BM generates. Zum inflicts less strain on the citizens he passes by:
Wait wait wait, are you saying because Zum didn't affect the squishy humans (collateral damage argument) Adam is faster? Just wondering what the point of that scan is.
Originally posted by carver9
Dont understand why speed is the main topic here but I'll participate. Flies from New York to Greece, defeats an enemy and return during mid convo...https://m.imgur.com/2BiVUuM
https://m.imgur.com/vJlGhWM
https://m.imgur.com/zQERLP8
How is that a showing of his combat reflexes lmao. Is travel speed now = combat speed? Delicious. Shall I post Supergirls travel speed feats? Flash? Then say hey, WW still tagged them?
Greece to NYC is nothing compared to the two I ust mentioned lmao.
Oh, I'm sure you're going to say 'but he also fought Ultimo in that time, but you have no scans showing how he did it. He could have just flown through Ultimo, without stopping.....No combat reflexes needed.
But yeah, you probably shouldn't distract Hulkster lmao.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait wait wait, are you saying because Zum didn't affect the squishy humans (collateral damage argument) Adam is faster? Just wondering what the point of that scan is.
The point is that a specific dynamic commonly associated with great velocity in comics is emphasized more in the Blue Marvel scan than in the Zum scan. It’s even more emphasized below:
That emphasis further supports superspeed being used along with other things mentioned that you ignored or missed. I guess you were distracted. ROTFLMAO 🙄
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The point is that a specific dynamic commonly associated with great velocity in comics is emphasized more in the Blue Marvel scan than in the Zum scan. It’s even more emphasized below:That emphasis further supports superspeed being used along with other things mentioned that you ignored or missed. I guess you were distracted. ROTFLMAO 🙄
Lol, or....That's the expression on one's face when a big guy runs past you and shoulder barges you out of the way lol.
I.e. not due to the speed.
Here's a street leveller, awash with speed lines, running past multiple opponents and affecting them. I'm going to curse his claws, because it obv shows it's him clawing them up lol...but imagine it was just him punching and pushing past them as he ran.
But yeah, I'm going to say how Zum didn't even affect the civvies, yet Wolverines speed is high enough to affect them 👆
Prove that there is any shoulder bargering in any of those examples. You can't make things up. I'm sure that neither Gladiator nor Blue Marvel have six foot wide shoulders 😂.
How is Wolverine cutting guns related to velocity generated force? Where is Wolverine awashed in speed lines? He is not even pictured in the panel.
And your Batman example is a joke. Keep searching for something to justify your need for BM to not be able to touch Diana.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Prove that there is any shoulder bargering in any of those examples. You can't make things up. I'm sure that neither Gladiator nor Blue Marvel have six foot wide shoulders 😂.
How is Wolverine cutting guns related to velocity generated force? Where is Wolverine awashed in speed lines? He is not even pictured in the panel.
My point was that Wolverine was covered in speed lines, and interacted with the guys. Surely the fact you can't even see him makes him even faster lol.
And your Batman example is a joke. Keep searching for something to justify your need for BM to not be able to touch Diana.
A joke? He shows the same distortion as in your scan....I mean what, is your example twice as impressive (so BM is twice as fast)?
My point is that using art alone is a pretty dodgy way to prove your point.
I on the other hand, have ACTUAL speedsters SPECIFICALLY remarking WW is too fast for them. Not too strong, or too skilled, or too fierce...too FAST.
And that was when she WASN'T bloodlusted, like she is here.
Look, I'm NOT saying BM is slow. He has superspeed. But WW is the the character SPEEDSTERS find fast, lol. There are levels to this.
All you have, is a showing where BM ultimately lost.