Originally posted by FrothByte
While that was impressive, it's still not as impressive as bouncing your bullets off the building across the street to hit a guy (actively moving and dodging) a few stories above you. Then doing it multiple times.
It's more than a billion times more impressive. The probability of sending two back to back bullets through the same hole is less than 1 in a billion. The probability of sending 3 rounds is less than 1 billionth times 1 billionth. Keep going to you get all the rounds shot by DS.
DS had to be accurate to less than the nearest millimeter. That means the angle he shot the bullet has to have an error no less than basically an infinitesimal.
The other two never showed this type of accuracy. There is plenty of error to still achieve their feats. For example, if the goal is to hit someone's head (by ricochet) then you can be off a slight angle and still achieve the result. Think of the game of pool. The pocket is wide enough where the difference from the minimum to maximum angle that you can bank a shot and still make the pocket is significant. And ricochet objects is based off physics and geometry (can be learned). Shooting all those bullets through the same hole is impossible (no matter how accurate someone is).
Originally posted by h1a8
It's more than a billion times more impressive. The probability of sending two back to back bullets through the same hole is less than 1 in a billion. The probability of sending 3 rounds is less than 1 billionth times 1 billionth. Keep going to you get all the rounds shot by DS.DS had to be accurate to less than the nearest millimeter. That means the angle he shot the bullet has to have an error no less than basically an infinitesimal.
The other two never showed this type of accuracy. There is plenty of error to still achieve their feats. For example, if the goal is to hit someone's head (by ricochet) then you can be off a slight angle and still achieve the result. Think of the game of pool. The pocket is wide enough where the difference from the minimum to maximum angle that you can bank a shot and still make the pocket is significant. And ricochet objects is based off physics and geometry (can be learned). Shooting all those bullets through the same hole is impossible (no matter how accurate someone is).
So you're saying a feat where one is shooting at close range with no obstacles, at stationary targets that are clearly visible in a straight line, in a calm and controlled environment in clear lighting...
... is somehow more impressive than a feat where one is shooting at long range with multiple obstacles in the way, at moving targets who are actively trying to avoid getting hit and are not visible other than through a reflection in a window across the alley, in a chaotic and stressful environment in dim lighting?
Now that's retarded.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's more than a billion times more impressive. The probability of sending two back to back bullets through the same hole is less than 1 in a billion. The probability of sending 3 rounds is less than 1 billionth times 1 billionth. Keep going to you get all the rounds shot by DS.DS had to be accurate to less than the nearest millimeter. That means the angle he shot the bullet has to have an error no less than basically an infinitesimal.
The other two never showed this type of accuracy. There is plenty of error to still achieve their feats. For example, if the goal is to hit someone's head (by ricochet) then you can be off a slight angle and still achieve the result. Think of the game of pool. The pocket is wide enough where the difference from the minimum to maximum angle that you can bank a shot and still make the pocket is significant. And ricochet objects is based off physics and geometry (can be learned). Shooting all those bullets through the same hole is impossible (no matter how accurate someone is).
Cite your source.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Cite your source.
Lol what? I was a range coach for the U.S. Marines and at a few hundred yards i could hit a dime with a M16 A4 at least 7 out of ten times. A dime is the same size roughly as your eye. Granted thats a stationary target but still..
There are people out there so much better than me its not even funny. Some trick shooters out there are absolutely insane with what they can pull off. So not sure where your getting this billions and billions stuff from.
When it comes to marksmanship almost anything is possible with the enpugh practice.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Lol what? I was a range coach for the U.S. Marines and at a few hundred yards i could hit a dime with a M16 A4 at least 7 out of ten times. A dime is the same size roughly as your eye. Granted thats a stationary target but still..There are people out there so much better than me its not even funny. Some trick shooters out there are absolutely insane with what they can pull off. So not sure where your getting this billions and billions stuff from.
When it comes to marksmanship almost anything is possible with the enpugh practice.
It’s one thing to hit a target 7 out of 10, but it’s something else when you unload 30 rounds from a semi, and you continually hits the same hole over and over again with out once moving even a milliliter over.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I believe you quoted the wrong person.
I did. My bad.
To Squall, of course it is. But to say billions and billions is stretching a lot. Go watch some trick shooters, they can and have done some pretty crazy stuff.
I thought that was Daredevil.
Im still going with Deadshot but lets chill on the hyperbole.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I thought that was Daredevil.
Bullseye was pretending to be Daredevil under Fisk's orders in S3, in order to destroy Daredevil's reputation.
This incarnation of the character was actually pretty interesting IMO. They went the opposite of the movie/tv stereotype where the grizzled army vet goes crazy from seeing too much violence. Bullseye showed psychotic tendencies as a child, and he and his therapist knew there was something seriously wrong, so he joined the military and later the FBI, actually using the strict system, rules, discipline etc. to try and keep himself on the straight and narrow, which he actually managed to do until Kingpin entered his life.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, what about Clint? No one even thinks about him, even though he arguably has the best stealth (his whole Endgame ninja shtick), reflex (multiple feats of dodging things like energy bolts, even from behind, reacted to Scarlet Witch trying to jump him when she successfully got the drop on BW, Thor, Tony and Hulk, though she had help from her brother with Steve) and combat speed feats (kept up with a super soldier tier opponent in melee for a lot longer than most, in BP) out of all three.
And you don't need to be able to ricochet bullets or have millimeter accuracy with a gun in order to drop an unarmored opponent in these conditions. And he has tons of field experience, against a greater variety of enemies than Deadshot and Bullseye combined at this point.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Just to play Devil's Advocate, what about Clint? No one even thinks about him, even though he arguably has the best stealth (his whole Endgame ninja shtick), reflex (multiple feats of dodging things like energy bolts, even from behind, reacted to Scarlet Witch trying to jump him when she successfully got the drop on BW, Thor, Tony and Hulk, though she had help from her brother with Steve) and combat speed feats (kept up with a super soldier tier opponent in melee for a lot longer than most, in BP) out of all three.And you don't need to be able to ricochet bullets or have millimeter accuracy with a gun in order to drop an unarmored opponent in these conditions. And he has tons of field experience, against a greater variety of enemies than Deadshot and Bullseye combined at this point.
Those are really good points
Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're saying a feat where one is shooting at close range with no obstacles, at stationary targets that are clearly visible in a straight line, in a calm and controlled environment in clear lighting...... is somehow more impressive than a feat where one is shooting at long range with multiple obstacles in the way, at moving targets who are actively trying to avoid getting hit and are not visible other than through a reflection in a window across the alley, in a chaotic and stressful environment in dim lighting?
Now that's retarded.
Yes, and more than a billion times more difficult.
It's impossible (not improbable) to do what DS did.
It's not impossible to do what the others did.
No entity (even God) can send all those bullets through the same hole and with different guns at that distance.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Those are really good points
And here is Bullseye in action with a gun, seeing as you don't seem too familiar with him, based on an earlier comment. This is one of my favourite comic book character introduction scenes to date:
I love the little details they added, like the double ricochet at 1:02 to hit the guy's knee, and then headshoting him when he drops out of cover. And yes, he kills two guys by throwing pieces of the gun lol.
And here is the pistol sniping feat:
You'll notice the throws at the end of the vid are also accurate, but Daredevil either dodges or blocks the projectiles with other objects.