Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Thanos was using the Space Stone to block her beam and still visibly strained while advancing. And she didn't try to. She did destroy the Mind Stone. Thanos just used the Time Stone to undo it. And the detonation of the Mind Stone was what actually broke up her assault on Thanos, not Thanos himself. From just after the 2-minute mark.On topic, Billy has a decent shot of winning if he doesn't act like a clown and uses his super speed properly.
Wanda's TK is strong enough to temporarily contain a bomb so I'm not surprised that Thanos had trouble walking against her push. Still doesn't change the fact that Thanos never attacked her with the IG though, so we can't claim that Wanda fought off an IG wielding Thanos.
Originally posted by FrothByteAgreed. But I could play devil's advocate and say: well, we saw how a pissed off Wanda fared against a gauntlet-less Thanos.
Wanda's TK is strong enough to temporarily contain a bomb so I'm not surprised that Thanos had trouble walking against her push. Still doesn't change the fact that Thanos never attacked her with the IG though, so we can't claim that Wanda fought off an IG wielding Thanos.
And by fared I mean he had to beg his ship to save him even if it meant losing his own troops.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Agreed. But I could play devil's advocate and say: well, we saw how a pissed off Wanda fared against a gauntlet-less Thanos.And by fared I mean he had to beg his ship to save him even if it meant losing his own troops.
I'm pretty sure I already debated this exact match somewhere in here, but what I said was that Thanos was doing just fine as long as he was on his feet and mobile. As soon as Wanda lifted him off the ground he was helpless (and she should have done this much sooner).
I mean, it wouldn't have mattered how strong Thanos was, if he was levitated off the ground he wouldn't be able to do anything. So it's not proof of Wanda overpowering him, it's proof of Wanda using her powers in a way that Thanos had no counter for.
This won't be the same case for Shazam, however, since the guy can fly.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I don't think that worked solely because Thanos couldn't fly, her powers clearly overpowered his whole body. There's a reason he was kept in a fixed position while visibly hurting.
When you're lifted like that in the air, it's not really that easy to move your entire body. The most he could do was flail his arms and legs, so we can say that Wanda overpowered his legs and arms strength and kept them in place. But that's hardly representative of Thanos' entire strength.
We can also add that she was slowly crushing him. So it was still a good feat for Wanda, but we should acknowledge the fact that Thanos was in a position where he wasn't able to fight back.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
If she kept him in the ground what could exactly he do if she can overpower his entire body?
Again, she hasn't overpowered his entire body. If she could then yeah, he wouldn't be able to do anything. But she hasn't shown she can.
On the ground you have traction, you have leverage, you have the ability to move and position yourself to a better position. When you're up floundering in the air you lose all of these advantages.
It's like saying if a white shark completely destroys an elephant in the water, is that proof that the shark is stronger than the elephant?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Wanda's TK is strong enough to temporarily contain a bomb so I'm not surprised that Thanos had trouble walking against her push. Still doesn't change the fact that Thanos never attacked her with the IG though, so we can't claim that Wanda fought off an IG wielding Thanos.
Never said she did. But it should be noted that he had been on the offensive, using the Stones at that point, and she was the only one who got in his way that actually stopped him for any meaningful amount of time. The others mainly provided token resistance before getting swatted. And this is despite the fact that he still had all the same Stones he had against everyone else. She actually forced him to defend. And it's still an insane feat, objectively speaking. Because blocking an Infinity Stone is much more impressive than a bomb IMO. I mean consider Thanos casually stopped Loki's attack with just the Stone, and then proceeded to snap his neck with just one hand. The same Loki who can casually manhandle people like Cap (and this probably hasn't changed, based on Endgame Steve's fight vs Avengers Steve) and who has taken hits from Thor and Hulk. Wanda was resisting a Stone-wielding Thanos, who was pushing forward with his whole body, while blowing up another Infinity Stone at the same time. How many characters in the MCU has a snowball's chance in hell of replicating that?
Interesting thing about space. It's connected to momentum. And this is actually consistent with what we see from the Stone's use in the film, from Thanos using it on multiple different occasions to block the momentum of incoming attacks, stopping Loki's dagger thrust in mid-air, and allowed HYDRA, and later SHIELD, to make blaster-type energy weapons with it.
But anyway, none of this really matters. As I said in my original post, as long as Billy actually uses his super speed competently, he should take it, because he should be able to drop her before she can attack.
Originally posted by FrothByteThe analogy doesn't apply here my friend.
Again, she hasn't overpowered his entire body. If she could then yeah, he wouldn't be able to do anything. But she hasn't shown she can.On the ground you have traction, you have leverage, you have the ability to move and position yourself to a better position. When you're up floundering in the air you lose all of these advantages.
It's like saying if a white shark completely destroys an elephant in the water, is that proof that the shark is stronger than the elephant?
If the water that was killing the elephant came from the shark then yeah, he'd be more powerful than dumbo no question.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
The analogy doesn't apply here my friend.If the water that was killing the elephant came from the shark then yeah, he'd be more powerful than dumbo no question.
The analogy applies if you understood it. Again, answer the question: is the shark more powerful than the elephant if it beats it in the water?
Originally posted by Darth ThorFalse. Superman is faster than Doomsday, Cyborg, WW, Batman, etc. all hit. Acting like Shazam cannot be hit when he was hit the entire film not at superseded either is grossly misrepresenting his fights in favor of a few fears because you are a biased poster.
By beings of equal speed dummy.The MCU characters are simply slower than their DCEU counterparts. And Youre well aware of that which is why you chickened out on me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Superman is faster than Doomsday, Cyborg, WW, Batman, etc. all hit. Acting like Shazam cannot be hit when he was hit the entire film not at superseded either is grossly misrepresenting his fights in favor of a few fears because you are a biased poster.
Hit the entire film? Lol
Hit by whom?