Originally posted by abhilegend
Wrong as usual. Darkseid effortlessly destroys Thanos.
But then we got into the rest of the series and its follow-up in Justice League Incarnate and it was made clear that Darkseid did not have anywhere near as much power (both in terms of quantity and quality) that Thanos with the gems.
Keep in mind that Adam used the gems to kill off the entire Cosmic Host sans the Living Tribunal with a gesture. Darkseid in constrast got into various fist-fights with aliens and gods.
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Originally posted by Astner
The only time I think you could've made an argument for it was shortly after the release of Infinity Frontier #0 where Darkseid murders the Quintessence.But then we got into the rest of the series and its follow-up in Justice League Incarnate and it was made clear that Darkseid did not have anywhere near as much power (both in terms of quantity and quality) that Thanos with the gems.
Keep in mind that Adam used the gems to kill off the entire Cosmic Host sans the Living Tribunal with a gesture. Darkseid in constrast got into various fist-fights with aliens and gods.
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Yeah, but Adam just killed their universal M Bodies.
Darkseid himself fought evenly with the revised Anti-Monitor, who is equal to his brother World Forger who throws around multiversal energies casually.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Infinity Man killing-off the New Gods was also mentioned in the 2008 run of JSA:
Well, like I said before. The story itself is definitely canonHowever, the 'Source' that appeared in that story may not be the real Source( See above). You can argue it is possible that just Anti-Life Entity pretended to be the Source
But anyway, I feel that DOTNG is loosely canon. That is to say, it is more of an apocryphal take on the 'War in Heaven' that initiated Darkseid's fall during FC -- I think Morrison also said as much during an interview, iirc.
As for the Source's depiction in DOTNG: with the recent revelation that the Anti-Life Entity is merely a fraction/avatar of the GEB, we can probably assume the same is true for that depiction of the Source as well(ie. it was just a fractal of the real deal)... IF that rendition is even canon, of course.
Originally posted by cdtmBoth Darkseid and Orion were still alive at the end of DOTNG.
Wait a minute..Orion was dead in DOTNG. Yet alive in Final Crisis.
There were a lot of like inconsistency. Why was Darkseid even alive, wasn't he ended at the end of DOTNG?
Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, but Adam just killed their universal M Bodies.Darkseid himself fought evenly with the revised Anti-Monitor, who is equal to his brother World Forger who throws around multiversal energies casually.
The Anti-Monitor's power level was clearly not the same in Darkseid War as it had been in Crisis of Infinity Earths, or as it would be in Death Metal.
It's a bit like taking a scan of Guy Gardner getting knocked out by Batman and then another scan of Guy Garnder restoring a planet or holding his own against a supervillain, and then argue that Batman has to be able to do this stuff as well.
And I'm not going to lie. I'd probably buy these arguments as well if I hadn't read these books.
Originally posted by Galan007
Infinity Man killing-off the New Gods was also mentioned in the 2008 run of JSA:
https://i.imgur.com/Bw10w13.jpg
"Infinity Man. He slays pretenders as I have. By incinerating their hearts [...] It is the only way to kill a God."But anyway, I feel that DOTNG is loosely canon. That is to say, it is more of an apocryphal take on the 'War in Heaven' that initiated Darkseid's fall during FC -- I think Morrison also said as much during an interview, iirc.
As for the Source's depiction in DOTNG: with the recent revelation that the Anti-Life Entity is merely a fraction/avatar of the GEB, we can probably assume the same is true for that depiction of the Source as well(ie. it was just a fractal of the real deal)... IF that rendition is even canon, of course.
Both Darkseid and Orion were still alive at the end of DOTNG.
Orion was killed by Infinity Man though.
Darkseid was even looking on and confirmed it by his "Orion.." Exclamation.
Plus Superman saw the whole thing.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
There's an assumption here, all new Gods are at Darkseid's level. Not sure I buy into that.
If they're all assumed equal it's going to be ~2×10^200,000, but if all other New Gods are assumned negligable in comparison it will be ~1×10^200,000.
In this sense my assumption that "hundreds of thousands" means 200,000 (instead of 200,001) is a lot more significant.
Because absorbing one more New God (regardless of how weak he/she is) is at least going to multiply the power by a factor of 10.
The actual number should be 2.11111...0*10^n (assuming that the New Gods that Darkseid absorbs are as powerful as he.
Absorbing;
[list]
0 New Gods: 1
1 New God: 20 = (1+1)×10
2 New Gods: 210 = ((1+1)×10+1)×10
3 New Gods: 2,110 = (((1+1)×10+1)×10+1)×10
4 New Gods: 21,110
5 New Gods: 211,110
6 New Gods: 2,111,110
7 New Gods: 21,111,110
8 New Gods: 211,111,110
9 New Gods: 2,111,111,110
10 New Gods: 21,111,111,110[/list]
So the factor before the 10^n will should be between 1 and 2.111...unless there's are New God stronger than Darkseid, but the only Gods that are comparable to Darkseid (Omega Force) as far as I know are Highfather (Alpha Force) and Orion (Astro Force).
Regardless, it's a sufficiently large number to where you'd be justified in saying that Darkseid should've been able to replicate whatever Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet did, the problem is that his feats didn't quite measure up.
Originally posted by AstnerThat makes more sense, I wasn't sure previously, but now I see your working explained it makes more sense. I was taking it you assumed equality, in that I was wrong.
The actual number should be 2.11111...0*10^n (assuming that the New Gods that Darkseid absorbs are as powerful as he.Absorbing;
[list]
0 New Gods: 1
1 New God: 20 = (1+1)×10
2 New Gods: 210 = ((1+1)×10+1)×10
3 New Gods: 2,110 = (((1+1)×10+1)×10+1)×10
4 New Gods: 21,110
5 New Gods: 211,110
6 New Gods: 2,111,110
7 New Gods: 21,111,110
8 New Gods: 211,111,110
9 New Gods: 2,111,111,110
10 New Gods: 21,111,111,110[/list]
So the factor before the 10^n will should be between 1 and 2.111...unless there's are New God stronger than Darkseid, but the only Gods that are comparable to Darkseid (Omega Force) as far as I know are Highfather (Alpha Force) and Orion (Astro Force).Regardless, it's a sufficiently large number to where you'd be justified in saying that Darkseid should've been able to replicate whatever Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet did, the problem is that his feats didn't quite measure up.
I did assume equality for the list.
But if we assume that every other New God has a negligable (0) power level compared to Darkseid we get:
0 New Gods: 1
1 New God: 10 = (1+0)×10
2 New Gods: 100 = ((1+0)×10+0)×10
3 New Gods: 1,000 = (((1+0)×10+0)×10+10)×10
4 New Gods: 10,000
5 New Gods: 100,000
6 New Gods: 1,00,000
7 New Gods: 10,000,000
8 New Gods: 100,000,000
9 New Gods: 1,000,000,000
10 New Gods: 10,000,000,000
So (realistically) for absorbing 10 New Gods the number is going to be somewhere between 10,000,000,000 - 21,111,111,110. Which might seem like a lot, but ×2 isn't that significant when each New God gives ×10.
There are more things to look at here, e.g. the order in which he absorbs the New Gods matter (preferably, he should absorb the stronger ones first).
And we assume that "hundreds of thousands" means 200,000, which is a bare minimum. It could just as well be 999,999. Which would make him 10^999,999 times as powerful as he normally is.
So it's comparable to nonsense like Cyborg's "million" decibel blast, ~10^1,000,000 W.
Originally posted by AstnerThat makes sense.
I did assume equality for the list.But if we assume that every other New God has a negligable (0) power level compared to Darkseid we get:
0 New Gods: 1
1 New God: 10 = (1+0)×10
2 New Gods: 100 = ((1+0)×10+0)×10
3 New Gods: 1,000 = (((1+0)×10+0)×10+10)×10
4 New Gods: 10,000
5 New Gods: 100,000
6 New Gods: 1,00,000
7 New Gods: 10,000,000
8 New Gods: 100,000,000
9 New Gods: 1,000,000,000
10 New Gods: 10,000,000,000So (realistically) for absorbing 10 New Gods the number is going to be somewhere between 10,000,000,000 - 21,111,111,110. Which might seem like a lot, but ×2 isn't that significant when each New God gives ×10.
There are more things to look at here, e.g. the order in which he absorbs the New Gods matter (preferably, he should absorb the stronger ones first).
And we assume that "hundreds of thousands" means 200,000, which is a bare minimum. It could just as well be 999,999. Which would make him 10^999,999 times as powerful as he normally is.
So it's comparable to nonsense like Cyborg's "million" decibel blast, ~10^1,000,000 W.
Originally posted by Astner
The only time I think you could've made an argument for it was shortly after the release of Infinity Frontier #0 where Darkseid murders the Quintessence.
Wrong again.
But then we got into the rest of the series and its follow-up in Justice League Incarnate and it was made clear that Darkseid did not have anywhere near as much power (both in terms of quantity and quality) that Thanos with the gems.
Spectre alone is more powerful than Infinity Gauntlet. Forget about the rest of the Quintessence.
Keep in mind that Adam used the gems to kill off the entire Cosmic Host sans the Living Tribunal with a gesture. Darkseid in constrast got into various fist-fights with aliens and gods.
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Cosmic host of marvel got shitstomped by an alternate Reed with solar system level of power. They are the biggest jobbers of all time.
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You can't be this stupid.
Originally posted by Astner
I did assume equality for the list.But if we assume that every other New God has a negligable (0) power level compared to Darkseid we get:
0 New Gods: 1
1 New God: 10 = (1+0)×10
2 New Gods: 100 = ((1+0)×10+0)×10
3 New Gods: 1,000 = (((1+0)×10+0)×10+10)×10
4 New Gods: 10,000
5 New Gods: 100,000
6 New Gods: 1,00,000
7 New Gods: 10,000,000
8 New Gods: 100,000,000
9 New Gods: 1,000,000,000
10 New Gods: 10,000,000,000So (realistically) for absorbing 10 New Gods the number is going to be somewhere between 10,000,000,000 - 21,111,111,110. Which might seem like a lot, but ×2 isn't that significant when each New God gives ×10.
There are more things to look at here, e.g. the order in which he absorbs the New Gods matter (preferably, he should absorb the stronger ones first).
And we assume that "hundreds of thousands" means 200,000, which is a bare minimum. It could just as well be 999,999. Which would make him 10^999,999 times as powerful as he normally is.
So it's comparable to nonsense like Cyborg's "million" decibel blast, ~10^1,000,000 W.
Infinity Gems are less powerful than the astral regulator which keeps the coherence of a single universe.
This isn't even a fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't matter. He straight up defeated Source who had created the entire multiverse.Infinity Gems are less powerful than the astral regulator which keeps the coherence of a single universe.
This isn't even a fight.
you are an idiot, if the source is actually defeated then it's the most pathetic display ever, because the judges of the source actually one shotted perpetua, and the source was said by dematteis and morrison to be one and the same as overvoid and presence
if it's the actual source losing to darkseid then the entire dc actually fuked themselves
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol sorry, it's not you, it's me .....I just can't muster enough interest and energy to actively engage in a debate with you
then keep quiet
Originally posted by MrMind
you are an idiot, if the source is actually defeated then it's the most pathetic display ever, because the judges of the source actually one shotted perpetua, and the source was said by dematteis and morrison to be one and the same as overvoid and presenceif it's the actual source losing to darkseid then the entire dc actually fuked themselves
Its Starlin, he had TOAA losing to Thanos too. Guess marvel ****ed themselves too.
Stop going to comicvine son.
