Blade vs Lady Shiva

Originally posted by Senor Cage
The only real low feat current Shiva has is getting one-shotted by Jason Todd, but some writers treat him as a top tier MA, and he has uber armor (able to withstand a nuke).

And who says Shiva doesn't have super strength and speed? She's certainly displays feats, seeing as who she fights on a regular basis.

I'm not understanding the relevance of the first part as I would assume we would discount clear low-ball/low end feats and assume this is both characters at their peak.

I didn't say she doesn't have super strength and/or speed. I said Blade has the advantage in those departments.

But who's to say? Current Batman is classified as a Meta human now. His top feats surpass that of Blade. Yet, Shiva owned him.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
But who's to say? Current Batman is classified as a Meta human now. His top feats surpass that of Blade. Yet, Shiva owned him.

Current Dracula is classified as a high end meta human. His top feats far surpass that of Shiva (and Batman). Yet, Blade owned him.

Do you get why this argument gets us nowhere?

Originally posted by Trackz
Current Dracula is classified as a high end meta human. His top feats far surpass that of Shiva (and Batman). Yet, Blade owned him.

Do you get why this argument gets us nowhere?

Of course, but Dracula isn't as skilled as those two. And like I said BEFORE, skill is top dog in comics. Why do you think Blade was able to beat Dracula?

Plus, my other point is that Shiva's and Blade's physical stats are comparable. She was fast enough to KO Black Alice, who had the stats of Cheetah, and Cheetah is faster and stronger than Dracula. 😛

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Of course, but Dracula isn't as skilled as those two. And like I said BEFORE, skill is top dog in comics. Why do you think Blade was able to beat Dracula?

I didn't say Dracula isn't skilled, but he's NOT as skilled as Shiva or Batman.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Plus, my other point is that Shiva's and Blade's physical stats are comparable. She was fast enough to KO Black Alice, who had the stats of Cheetah, and Cheetah is faster and stronger than Dracula. 😛

What are you basing this on? Have you read Dracula?

Also you keep making the same type of points. Punching someone faster than you doesn't mean that you are as fast. Blade has staked Spitfire who is faster and stronger than Cheetah and Shiva.

What quantifiable speed or strength feats does she have?

Originally posted by Senor Cage
I didn't say Dracula isn't skilled, but he's NOT as skilled as Shiva or Batman.

Originally posted by Trackz
What are you basing this on? Have you read Dracula?

Also you keep making the same type of points. Punching someone faster than you doesn't mean that you are as fast. Blade has staked Spitfire who is faster and stronger than Cheetah and Shiva.

What quantifiable speed or strength feats does she have?

Overpowering the likes of Batman, Azrael, Cassandra, etc.. Batman commented on how fast she is, and he's a meta. Again, Dracula isn't as skilled of a fighter as Batman, just stop.

Originally posted by Trackz
again. What is this based on. He's one of the greatest warriors marvel has seen and has beaten most of marvel's best fighters easily. He has infinitely more experience.

He might be one of the greatest warriors in Marvel, but Batman stalemated THE greatest MA in comics, Karate Kid. Someone who knows all of the arts in the known universe. And Val was surprised, and said he had things to learn from him. Until Dracula stalemates someone as skilled as Val, let me know.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Overpowering the likes of Batman, Azrael, Cassandra, etc.. Batman commented on how fast she is, and he's a meta. Again, Dracula isn't as skilled of a fighter as Batman, just stop.

Yet when Dracula overpowers all of the xmen, avengers, deadpool, and whoever else it doesn't matter?

Dracula had one of the longest comic runs in the 70s. He has plenty of material and it sounds like you're making assumptions because you like batman.

Originally posted by Trackz
Yet when Dracula overpowers all of the xmen, avengers, deadpool, and whoever else it doesn't matter?

Dracula had one of the longest comic runs in the 70s. He has plenty of material and it sounds like you're making assumptions because you like batman.

Of course it matters. Only thing I'm pointing out, is that Shiva's stats are comparable. Like you said earlier, both have reasons and feats to suggest they can beat each other. AND you admitted Blade isn't as skilled as her.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
He might be one of the greatest warriors in Marvel, but Batman stalemated THE greatest MA in comics, Karate Kid. Someone who knows all of the arts in the known universe. And Val was surprised, and said he had things to learn from him. Until Dracula stalemates someone as skilled as Val, let me know.

The points you're making here are not great.

Your whole argument basically hinges on the fact that DC fighters are more skilled than marvel fighters. Its silly.

Originally posted by Trackz
Dracula doesn't stalemate, he's easily defeated wolverine and black knight. Wolverine in particular is similarly one of the best fighters in marvel.

The points you're making here are not great.

Your whole argument basically hinges on the fact that DC fighters are more skilled than marvel fighters. Its silly.

LMAO don't compare Wolverine to Karate Kid. KK is widely known as the most skilled fighter in comics.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Of course it matters. Only thing I'm pointing out, is that Shiva's stats are comparable. Like you said earlier, both have reasons and feats to suggest they can beat each other. AND you admitted Blade isn't as skilled as her.

But you havent proven that. All you've shown is that she's beaten faster characters....so has everyone. Has she outpaced bullets? Has she been shown clearly faster than characters with their own enhanced speed?

Originally posted by Senor Cage
LMAO don't compare Wolverine to Karate Kid. KK is widely known as the most skilled fighter in comics.

Originally posted by Trackz
But you havent proven that. All you've shown is that she's beaten faster characters....so has everyone. Has she outpaced bullets? Has she been shown clearly faster than characters with their own enhanced speed?

Not JUST faster, but peers to her on a skill level. THAT is important. Blade isn't going to speed blitz her, his stats aren't that enhanced. Shiva was shown to be faster than Strix and Cassandra Cain, who are bullet timers.

Originally posted by Trackz
no, he's the most skilled fighter in DC.

He would be... if he didn't lack showings against other skilled combatants...

Originally posted by Trackz
no, he's the most skilled fighter in DC.

No, IN comics. When has Wolverine wrestled someone on Superman's level? or outsped someone on Ultraboy's level? Or knocked someone like Colossal Boy out of a room with just one blow, or can find weak points in pretty much anything (including Interon), etc...