Rebirth Superman vs Immortal Hulk

Originally posted by Galan007
So do you have any actual proof that solar radiation penetrated all the way through the thick tomb(and shroud) Doomsday was encased in, and was secretly nourishing him while the tomb was hurling through space, or are you just making baseless assumptions? Be honest.

Adapting is Doomsday's whole gimmick.

Perhaps his body eventually found a way to resurrect itself in the total absence of an energy source..? To me, that is a LOT more believable than the assumption that solar radiation somehow managed to creep its way into the tomb over the years and nourish Doomsday. No evidence I am aware of so much as alludes to that.

It's not like he was imprisoned inside a thin piece of sheet metal, ffs:

srsly

*I'd also note that the burial shroud itself wasn't just some random piece of cloth either. It was extremely durable and energy-resistant... As we saw when it took the combined energy attacks of the JLA just to partially remove it from DD:

I can prove it no more than it can be proven that his first punch on Superman is no-sold because he is weakened. It's an exchange of speculations. What you said about him adapting to no sunlight makes a lot of sense. It would explain a lot.

He wasnt in a tomb when Superman withstood his punch. He was in broad daylight when it happened.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasnt in a tomb when Superman withstood his punch. He was in broad daylight when it happened.

And had been out for a bit.

Originally posted by LordGod
Funny thing is that a thin piece of sheet metal CAN stop alpha and beta radiation, and a few inches of lead, or a few feet of generic concrete can stop most gamma radiation.

So no. solar radiation definitely wasn't getting through Doomsday's tomb and cloak. What a foolish thing to try and argue.

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Originally posted by carver9
He wasnt in a tomb when Superman withstood his punch. He was in broad daylight when it happened.

What does that prove? Superman was also absorbing sunlight. It was that DD was was pushing his limits.

What do you guys think? You think Superman is going to walk in a slap the Hulk lightly and we'll call it a day? He'd be in for the fight of his life. DD is a cheap knock-off. They used the adaptation route in order for them to pretend that he'd be able to keep up with the Hulk who has been adapting from the time of his inception.

Originally posted by SquallX
What does that prove? Superman was also absorbing sunlight. It was that DD was was pushing his limits.

When did Doomsday during that arc push his limits and I want to see proof? If he was weakened during that instance, show me something on panel that states he was at "complete" power, or, did Superman face a non full powered Doomsday?

No proof of Doomsday pushing Superman's limits during that arc.

Spoiler:
Except maybe when he killed him.

Originally posted by SquallX
What does that prove? Superman was also absorbing sunlight. It was that DD was was pushing his limits.

No one is saying otherwise. Yes., DD pushes Superman's limits, which is why the initial no-sell is meaningless. Same for Hulk and Vision.

There is no proof that DD is weakened during the no-sell.

Originally posted by cdtm
No proof of Doomsday pushing Superman's limits during that arc.

Spoiler:
Except maybe when he killed him.

In the arc, was it said that Superman wasnt at full power? Remember, people are saying that Doomsday was weakened, so what I am asking is, WHEN did he get to his full power during DOS? Then I'm asking for proof on whenever it was mentioned that he was complete. Superman, we already know he came into the fight complete. Doomsday, people are saying he was weakened. Huge difference here.

Not so sure Superman was "complete", as he was coming from one crisis to another. It's not like he just woke up, enjoyed a nice sun bath, and joined the fray.

carv, you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by abhi it's distorting your basic reasoning. Let me say that again... you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by ABHI it's distorting your basic reasoning. Low end showings are going to happen to everyone and they're going to happen a lot. And if it happens in Marvel you can bet your ass that abhi's going to harp on it to no end and try to use it to knock every other character in the company down a peg... but you can't take it too seriously because no one else does. Notice that no one is really debating that abhi is correct about Hulk/Vision other than abhi himself, they're only arguing about DD's first punch against Supes. Everyone know's that he's not going to backdown from his position regardless of what's posted, so unless he seems to be successfully misleading folks 9 times out of 10 it's not even worth engaging him beyond a couple of posts.

People admitting that DD was most likely weakened during the DOS saga compared to things like his encounter with the GL Corp is a GOOD thing for a lot of the positions you frequently argue, don't be like others and flip flop your basic interpretation of events just to suit the argument of the day... doing that undermines any position you might take on anything right out of the gate.

Originally posted by darthgoober
carv, you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by abhi it's distorting your basic reasoning. Let me say that again... you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by [b]ABHI it's distorting your basic reasoning. Low end showings are going to happen to everyone and they're going to happen a lot. And if it happens in Marvel you can bet your ass that abhi's going to harp on it to no end and try to use it to knock every other character in the company down a peg... but you can't take it too seriously because no one else does. Notice that no one is really debating that abhi is correct about Hulk/Vision other than abhi himself, they're only arguing about what DD's first punch against Supes.

People admitting that DD was most likely weakened during the DOS saga compared to things like his encounter with the GL Corp is a GOOD thing for a lot of the positions you frequently argue, don't be like others and flip flop your basic interpretation of events just to suit the argument of the day... doing that undermines any position you might take on anything right out of the gate. [/B]

Amazing post. Thanks darth.

Originally posted by carver9
Amazing post. Thanks darth.

It’s just coming sense man.

DD prior to fighting Superman was dead, imprisoned inside a suit inside a space space that crashed landed on Earth and buried for millennia's. The only reason DD woke up was because of a freak accident. DD lack sunlight but the one that he retained prior to his death.

DD spent his time punching non stop at the space ship with just one hand. His shockwaves felt like tremors from an earthquake. While he was absorbing sunlight, he rag-dolled the JL casually.

Of course DD pushed Clark past his limits, it’s just that Clark wanted the win far more than DD.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Read the narration. That's exactly what Vision does here:

https://imgur.com/a/8ow5RK0

There's nothing stated about being at his highest density.

The Devil Hulk persona is not bothered by causing death, but "Immortal Hulk" can be other personas. This one appears to have started off as Savage.

And he does start off toying with Thing.

No, he doesn't and there's not even a slightest implication that he holds back.

Because puppet master told him such. Later he was going all out when puppet master gave him free reign.

Originally posted by darthgoober
carv, you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by abhi it's distorting your basic reasoning. Let me say that again... you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by [b]ABHI it's distorting your basic reasoning. Low end showings are going to happen to everyone and they're going to happen a lot. And if it happens in Marvel you can bet your ass that abhi's going to harp on it to no end and try to use it to knock every other character in the company down a peg... but you can't take it too seriously because no one else does. Notice that no one is really debating that abhi is correct about Hulk/Vision other than abhi himself, they're only arguing about DD's first punch against Supes. Everyone know's that he's not going to backdown from his position regardless of what's posted, so unless he seems to be successfully misleading folks 9 times out of 10 it's not even worth engaging him beyond a couple of posts.

Wow, Darthdouche is on the case!!

How the **** is this lowballing? Vision legitimately no sold Hulk and Hulk was amped to boot. Why don't you correct it yourself if you are so sure I'm wrong. Or should I take a mod ruling on this which you love so much?

Also, funny of you to drop randomly and call me out like this ("Nobody takes me seriously, wah, wah"😉.

People admitting that DD was most likely weakened during the DOS saga compared to things like his encounter with the GL Corp is a GOOD thing for a lot of the positions you frequently argue, don't be like others and flip flop your basic interpretation of events just to suit the argument of the day... doing that undermines any position you might take on anything right out of the gate. [/B]

Which is exactly your MO. Talk about weakness exploitation this week or you're alwaw grumpy like this?

Originally posted by carver9
Amazing post. Thanks darth.

After 15 years on this forum, still the cheerleading?

Rebirth Superman is mid tier. At least according to Comicvine.

Comicvine is full of retards.

People saying DD wasn't weakened AT THE START of him fighting DoS....

I mean, then what is the logic here? That the Ultimate Killer, Doomsday, held back?

That Superman grew weaker as time went on, until he was so weak he was able to kill DD?

That it was PIS? What?