Superman vs Thanos

Originally posted by HammerT1me
Except, that’s not what we’re arguing. TheHulkster is trying to elevate Thanos by saying he went toe to toe with King Thanos, as evidence of his superiority over Superman. So if he then argues it’s an alternate universe where Blackbolt’s scream doesn’t count if it can vaporize celestials, then he undermine’s his entire argument about why we should be impressed if regular Thanos went toe to toe with King Thanos. In that “alternate” universe, the Living Tribunal, abstracts, and everything else could get owned by regular Thanos.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Appreciate it, guys. Wish Hulkster was more like you.

Provide scans stating Black Bolt didnt grow more powerful and that it is the same as his past self. Black Bolt scream killing Celestials are a high ft for him, not a low ft for the Celestials.

Also, I thought King Thanos wanted to die?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet it is officially canon. The Blackbolt you speak of is of an alternate future, so he and others from that future are not canon, but it is canon for 616 Thanos and other 616 characters until retconned or officially stated otherwise.

Carver, Hulkster is the guy you should be talking to.

It's a non-feat for Celestials and Bolt. And really, for anyone apart from 616 Thanos......(and maybe 1 or 2 others who escape me).

But then....what's the impressive thing? 616 Thanos defeated a guy who has zero canon feats of beating XYZ characters who aren't canon....

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
What?

The very scan you posted confirms it's not canon. 'Every action makes branches of realities. Possible universes.'

What are you disputing? It's an possible future. 616 Thanos travels to that future and whatever he does in that future is canon to him.

Non-canon feats are still feats. OKT performs universal level feats. 616 Thanos matches him in battle. As far as future BB, we don't know what changes with him in the future, but there is no reason to think that the cosmics are any weaker.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, Hulkster is the guy you should be talking to.

It's a non-feat for Celestials and Bolt. And really, for anyone apart from 616 Thanos......(and maybe 1 or 2 others who escape me).

But then....what's the impressive thing? 616 Thanos defeated a guy who has zero canon feats of beating XYZ characters who aren't canon....

Who said that they are non-feats? Is Kingdom Come Superman featless? Do we not count Hyperion holding two worlds (universes) apart?

And OKT dominates Cosmic Ghost Rider who is operating now in 616 and seemingly about to beat up on the Avengers.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
What are you disputing? It's an possible future. 616 Thanos travels to that future and whatever he does in that future is canon to him.

Non-canon feats are still feats. OKT performs universal level feats. 616 Thanos matches him in battle. As far as future BB, we don't know what changes with him in the future, but there is no reason to think that the cosmics are any weaker.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who said that they are non-feats? Is Kingdom Come Superman featless? Do we not count Hyperion holding two worlds (universes) apart?

And OKT dominates Cosmic Ghost Rider who is operating now in 616 and seemingly about to beat up on the Avengers.

Hyperion's showing is canon because he was literally interacting with those universes, no scaling there my friend.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Show me OKT destroying a universe, please.

When did "universal" mean destroying a universe? He defeated Eternity, LT, etc. and defeated the entire universe.

Did he kill Eternity and LT under his own power?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Kingdom Come isn't featless because we have seen him and Superman going up against the same opponents/KC going against stablished, canon characters.

Hyperion's showing is canon because he was literally interacting with those universes, no scaling there my friend.

So no feats for Great Darkness Darkseid right?

Originally posted by Galan007
Did he kill Eternity and LT under his own power?

What's the default position?

I mean, King Thanos used BB's detonation to kill a handful of Celestials, and legitimately feared Fallen Surfer.

So unless the Eternity and LT of that alternate timeline were pathetically weak, then it's very hard for me to imagine him killing them under his own power. /shrug

Originally posted by TheHulkster

Non-canon feats are still feats. OKT performs universal level feats. 616 Thanos matches him in battle. As far as future BB, we don't know what changes with him in the future, but there is no reason to think that the cosmics are any weaker.

Primetime (aka TheHulkster), for your latest spin on this to make any sense, you’d still have to explain why current Thanos is a universal force capable of destroying LT since he absolutely mauled OKT. We know that he’s NOT a universal power capable of this without the IG or HoTu.

Further, you’re an irritating hypocrite who is entirely inconsistent with how you interpret things. The blast from BB that killed that group of celestials left a crater in the Earth no bigger than a football field. In the past, didn’t you argue that Superman didn’t destroy a multiverse since it only left a crater the size of a continent? You argued this at great length. But now, you’re arguing that BB was suddenly universal level, and destroyed them with a universal blast that only left a small crater... What?!!

Funny how anything Superman allegedly does is perfectly believable

Remember what Silver Surfer said when those two planets were warring.
If you don't make peace now I am going to call a two infinite minds and draw their attention to you.
Superman can be broken.

Hulkster/Primetime, it is very obvious that you’re figuring this out as you go along. On page 8, you were clearly trying to separate the Old King Thanos storyline (written by Cates) from the Phoenix Thane storyline (written by Lemire) because you were clearly acknowledging that nothing Cates wrote made any sense, and you were trying to keep the Lemire storyline intact as canon which you felt was threatened when I brought the whole Thanos (2016 - 2018) series into question.

You: “What Cates wrote has nothing to do with what Lemire wrote.”

You said this right after I pointed out how Cates nerfed the Marvel abstracts to Blackbolt.

Think about it... Your statement is totally unnecessary to your current argument, that:

a) What Cates wrote is canon to 616 Thanos only.
b) Blackbolt must have achieved a universal power upgrade (evidence: Because there’s no reason to not to believe this, har har).

You were initially trying to scrap the Cates storyline but then had an idea of how it might work, without thinking it through. And now you’re getting tied up like a pretzel, because now you can’t explain why Thanos can go toe to toe with a being capable of killing the LT. Why don’t you just come clean and admit you’re seriously confused?

What if Thanos exploded Superman's head by contorling the heinsberg principle and locked Superman's heat vision into overheating.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Funny how anything Superman allegedly does is perfectly believable

Well that sums up your motive right there. You’re not going to argue honestly because you’re angry that Superman seems to get the benefit of the doubt but your Marvel characters don’t.

What part of the OWAW or the Sixth Dimension storylines didn’t explain that Superman had a sun dip power up? If Superman, with no explanation, just went toe to toe with the Archangel Michael, do you really think everyone wouldn’t be terribly confused? It’s a big reason why DC created Post-Crisis Superman, an attempt to minimize discrepancies where Superman sneezes out a solar system in one month but then gets owned by Solomon Grundy the next. In Superman’s case, there’s at least an explanation. The Cates’ OKT storyline had NO explanations.

Originally posted by carver9
Provide scans stating Black Bolt didnt grow more powerful and that it is the same as his past self. Black Bolt scream killing Celestials are a high ft for him, not a low ft for the Celestials.

Also, I thought King Thanos wanted to die?