Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's the bottom line.
The bottom line is that you always contradict yourself by cherry picking. On page 3, you said that Thanos more than matches Old King Thanos (who destroyed Marvel’s abstracts and Galactus with ease). Then on page 8, you implied that what Cates wrote (the King Thanos storyline) wasn’t canon. Why do you so purposefully mislead to people who don’t know any better?
I never implied any such thing. YOU implied that and used that implication to say that Lemire's run is not canon. Cates run has nothing to do with Lemire's for one, and second, Cates run is canon for 616 Thanos since he is the star of the book (and also for Cosmic Ghost Rider).
Old King Thanos and the other characters of his timeline are alternate future characters that 616 Thanos interacts with, something confirmed by Cates in the scan (Spoilers)
Then that pretty much screws Marvel since a possible future then reveals that Blackbolt’s scream can incinerate a team of celestials, that Thanos can stalemate King Thanos (who killed Living Tribunal and every other abstract with ease and rounded them up into a single dirt pile), and how Silver Surfer with Mjolnir is strong enough to absolutely kick King Thanos around. Marvel’s abstracts are severely overrated, is the only logical conclusion. And if Thanos can hold his own against King Thanos who can so easily defeat Marvel’s abstracts, then so can Superman.
Originally posted by HammerT1me
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111196008/6253217-1.jpgNot good!
Wouldn't that speak on how powerful Black Bolt scream is rather than Celestials being weak? Example. Superman knocking World Forger on his butt. Wouldn't that show us how powerful an tremendously amped Superman is rather than it showing us World Forger being weak? Explain please.
Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't that speak on how powerful Black Bolt scream is rather than Celestials being weak? Example. Superman knocking World Forger on his butt. Wouldn't that show us how powerful an tremendously amped Superman is rather than it showing us World Forger being weak? Explain please.
Sure. Judging how King Thanos and Blackbolt were standing on top of Living Tribunal’s carcass after King Thanos presumably easily defeated him (and all the other abstracts), I’d say you’d then have to argue that regular Thanos can easily defeat Marvel’s abstracts (with no power-ups), since regular Thanos went toe to toe with King Thanos later in the story.
Originally posted by carver9
You didnt answer my question and how do you know he didnt have an amp?
Because I read the series, and there was no indication of a power-up; which was consistent with how awful Cates’ writing was, where Surtur’s Sword and Mjolnir were treated as all-powerful artifacts like the Infinity Gauntlet. All established history of power levels were thrown out the window.
The power levels among the characters were vastly different than the 616 counterparts. BB's scream wouldn't be shit to a Celestial in 616. Unless he grew more powerful over time as well.
Also it would kill King Thanos if he killed Old Thanos. Logically, King Thanos would have to hold back.
Also it is explicitly stated that Thanos grew more powerful. That would contradict that Old Thanos is as powerful.
Getting blood punched from a character is not typically an indication of the lack of how powerful a character is. Superman has gotten blood hit from him and yet lifted Earth weights and held black holes and koed WF. Doesn't give the person who made Superman bleed his feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
The power levels among the characters were vastly different than the 616 counterparts. BB's scream wouldn't be shit to a Celestial in 616. Unless he grew more powerful over time as well.Also it would kill King Thanos if he killed Old Thanos. Logically, King Thanos would have to hold back.
Also it is explicitly stated that Thanos grew more powerful. That would contradict that Old Thanos is as powerful.Getting blood punched from a character is not typically an indication of the lack of how powerful a character is. Superman has gotten blood hit from him and yet lifted Earth weights and held black holes and koed WF. Doesn't give the person who made Superman bleed his feats.
First, it was a possible future of the 616 universe, not some parallel universe where power levels might be disparate. Black Bolt’s scream vaporized those celestials in a possible 616 universe.
Second, stop the silliness of King Thanos merely getting blood punched. Regular Thanos absolutely mauled him and even made his bone pop out after breaking his arm.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwjIS2C9FI
Try providing context next time.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes. This. End of the discussion.
Except, that’s not what we’re arguing. TheHulkster is trying to elevate Thanos by saying he went toe to toe with King Thanos, as evidence of his superiority over Superman. So if he then argues it’s an alternate universe where Blackbolt’s scream doesn’t count if it can vaporize celestials, then he undermine’s his entire argument about why we should be impressed if regular Thanos went toe to toe with King Thanos. In that “alternate” universe, the Living Tribunal, abstracts, and everything else could get owned by regular Thanos.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW👆
Yes. This. End of the discussion.
Originally posted by HammerT1meI was only disputing the first sentence in your previous post.
Except, that’s not what we’re arguing. TheHulkster is trying to elevate Thanos by saying he went toe to toe with King Thanos, as evidence of his superiority over Superman. So if he then argues it’s an alternate universe where Blackbolt’s scream doesn’t count if it can vaporize celestials, then he undermine’s his entire argument about why we should be impressed if regular Thanos went toe to toe with King Thanos. In that “alternate” universe, the Living Tribunal, abstracts, and everything else could get owned by regular Thanos.
