Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And banning Superman just makes things move to a different character.Next it will be Cyborg Superman. Then Superboy. Then Doomsday. Then Shazam. Then Black Adam. Etc etc. They will all be scaled off Supes.
As it's been said in a canon comic, all roads lead back to Superman.
I see what you're saying.
Let's ban DC 👆
Re: Should the ban on Superman vs. threads be reinstated?
Originally posted by Galan007
One of the many reasons we banned Superman threads in the first place(even though it royally pissed off a few people) is because any cross-company threads involving him always seem to devolve into toxic stupidity... Always.We then lifted the ban hoping that you guys would get the point and cut the shit, because it really shouldn't be that hard to keep things civil... But fast-forward a few months, and here we are again: Superman-based threads/discussions generate the most reports, and overall issues, BY FAR.
So my question is what YOU GUYS think should happen next? Looking for your honest opinions here.
*I'll keep this open until it either: a.) gets some solid/constructive feedback, or b.) until it starts going down the shitter(it IS still a Superman thread, after all.)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Don't ban the people who disagree with the power level. It's a debate site after all, we should all be able to hold differing opinions.HOWEVER, we can also recognize the toxic behavior when it starts. None of us are new here, we know when people are being snide, or low-ballling, or just straight out lying.
Just have a mod ruling on whatever it is the mods believe happened with World Forger, for example. Clear cut, black and white. Then that nips any attempts at low-ballling in the bud.
I mean, we all know that Carver has his issues with the showing. Fine. Except when pressed to explain it, he won't do so, because he doesn't feel safe debating with a mod. Yet wouldn't debate it with others either.
But you can bet he will pop up here and there with the snide remarks on how it's the most debatable feat ever in the history of comics, lol.
So my solution is, make it non debatable with a ruling.And yes, I name him, because honestly, even abhi at least branches out to other characters.
See, I disagree with the solution of mod ruling - even if some time ago I would have maybe agreed.
The thing is -- that's treating the symptom, not the problem.
We see it time and time again, that it's not about the feat itself -- it's about the posters...be it because of intelligence, trolling, spamming, baiting -- whatever reason you might want to attribute, that when get to the same point, over and over again.
Before the WF, there was the grasping at straws in this thread:
Originally posted by Philosophía
That's pretty much the crux of the butthurt. .Nobody really wants to admit that this feat is beyond everybody but maybe WBH - and by a significant margin - and the fact that it's a deathbed Superman makes them throw up under on their keyboard.
Instead of looking at the evidence and reaching the conclusion, people have it backwards - they have a conclusion and try to bargain their way out of depression.
"Superman is that much stronger than the rest? It can't be!"
And then we get:
[b]Denial
- the planet didn't get destroyed!
Anger
- what do you mean, Superman is that much stronger?!?!?!
Bargaining
- small planet
- hollow planet
- world forger wanted him to escape!
- the planet was a starting point!
- well, actually he didn't and it wasn't
- Superman was depowered...oh wait...
- Superman has dynamic power! Oh no, what am I saying?! backtrack, backtrack
- his fist touched the ground!
Depression
- it permeates every post
Acceptance
Never?
etc. etc.If you'd have asked me, before this feat, if deathbed Superman could jump hard enough to destroy a planet and leap light-years I'd be like "lol, let's not get crazy here".
But it happened.
People didn't have a problem accepting WBH being much stronger than Thor and the rest.
But Superman?
Well...we can't have that! It's game over. [/B]
And if you really want to see the lying and twisting that 'some posters' use, you can just go here:
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman never gained an amp from Abin Sur [who you didn't eve know who it was], as you pathetically and ignorantly claimed:^That "a lantern" he interacts with is [b]Abin Sur
who is the Green Lantern preceeding Hal Jordan and the meeting with Superman took place literally years before the other, unrelated scan you posted, that has nothing to do with an amp, and he had residual GL energy leftovers that he quickly dispatched after being exposed to Hal's energy.You're an embarrassment to everybody who interacts with you.
That is not Green Energy leaking from his body. That is Hal, with his dying breath, teleporting him [any many others, like Nightwing] from locations around the world.What the actual f*ck?
You literally have the issue right in front of you, and you're cropping up panels and lying.
This is the most blatant trolling I've ever seen. [/B]
This take place time, and time, and time again.
Mods would have to make rulings every month or so -- because no matter what happens, no matter how clear cut it is, they just lie, twist, get absolutely trashed -- and then they go back and do it again, pretending like nothing happened.
This is, as Darkseid pointed out, their MO. They ignore how much they get the absolute shit kicked out of them in debates, then they regurgitate the same arguments they were already proven wrong on, in other threads.
It's a virus.
I don't know what the solution is, tbh -- I voted to ban posters, but banning the character is the one which would probably most be effective.
Another solution would be...
To ban posters from characters...?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I just noticed I wrote Darkseid instead of Darksaint.Fitting.
Almost as fitting as Stilt's Freudian slip here:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Superman threads are boring. They really are.They're full of "Superman wins", "Superman speedblitzes" and "Superman one-shots" posts.
Ban them again, I say. At least till the DD Cock concludes. Forum was a much nicer place without this kryptonian nonsense.
Originally posted by Philosophía
See, I disagree with the solution of mod ruling - even if some time ago I would have maybe agreed.The thing is -- that's treating the symptom, not the problem.
We see it time and time again, that it's not about the feat itself -- it's about the posters...be it because of intelligence, trolling, spamming, baiting -- whatever reason you might want to attribute, that when get to the same point, over and over again.
Before the WF, there was the grasping at straws in this thread:
And if you really want to see the lying and twisting that 'some posters' use, you can just go here:
This take place time, and time, and time again.
Mods would have to make rulings every month or so -- because no matter what happens, no matter how clear cut it is, they just lie, twist, get absolutely trashed -- and then they go back and do it again, pretending like nothing happened.
This is, as Darkseid pointed out, their MO. They ignore how much they get the absolute shit kicked out of them in debates, then they regurgitate the same arguments they were already proven wrong on, in other threads.
It's a virus.
I don't know what the solution is, tbh -- I voted to ban posters, but banning the character is the one which would probably most be effective.
Another solution would be...
To ban posters from characters...?
Pretty much.
I mean, Carv even had two separate arguments, 4 years apart, on the exact same topic, with Galan. The first time, it ends with Carver saying 'yes, fine, you're right Galan', and then 4 years later, he pops up again, with the exact same argument (it was to do with OWAW, and how Imperieix Probes don't release energy when they explode, or some nonsense).
He then continues to argue that WWH regenerated his limbs, and matter manipulated his gladiator sandals and armour back.
Exactly the same argument. Hell, I'm not surprised if two years down the line, Carver starts arguing that Superman destroyed a tiny hollow planet AGAIN.
He'll then disappear, wait until the original thread was buried, then rear his head back up again.
Thread, with a link to the original argument.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I remember one of my first interactions with him, when he said Superman's mind was all over the place after he sundipped in OWAW.That's when I knew he had never read it:
[b]WAIT! Galan has shown the exact same page to carver before!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560126&pagenumber=5 [/B]
We are due another one next year; it's like the Olympics with Carv.
My point: Maybe not a ruling - but a ruling THREAD? Where 'forum myths' are locked down, so we never need to keep rehashing the same arguments over and over and over again?
Dark, you're pointing me out a lot. I'm guessing it's due to me outright ignoring you which was intentional. The same day you asked me to answer your question that Pr asked, you mentioned me getting banned. Why would I answer your post when your intentions are to get rid of me? It's like you're setting me up. I should have kept you on ignore this entire time because I think things wouldve been better. Everything else, I agree with. A mod ruling would be sufficient but would that help? A lot of people hated the fact that Galan removed Superman from the forum.
Superman one punch kill Thor...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=662701&highlight=%22Superman+vs%22
I'm being civil asking for fts and Philo tells me to be a man.. lol
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=662587&highlight=%22Superman+vs%22
That's a good way for this to go.
I say the Annihilators win and get attacked. Lol...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=662528&pagenumber=2
At the end of the day, I can post numerous of threads like this. People can go in and say "Hulk gets one shot killed" or "Gladiator and Superman heat vision each other melting Hulk during the process", they can get away with things like that but if I vote against a certain character, it is a problem.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
No. I do not think you should because people should be adult enough about this.But my question is, if so many people truly believe that he is this multiversal being every time he sundips. Why are they still making matches with him vs. hulk/Thor etc?
EXACTLY!!! It's obviously baiting. One person even put wanked characters in the thread. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. I dont see anyone going around bashing when people go in threads calling Hulk low meta or Thor street level or Silver Surfer slow.
I'd ban the posters, TBH. I mean, if I see a thread that puts Superman against a character, I'm not going to avoid it because Superman is in the title. If I see that a few...select posters, have made the latest post, however, then i know for a fact that the thread will have devolved into an absolute shit-show.
Originally posted by carver9carver I don’t think anyone bashed you for your opinion based or wanking a character. It’s that you lie, troll and you keep recycling the same arguments over and over again. I’ll bring up a couple of examples. You and Albert keep bringing up countless suns. When we saw 6 on panel and it was confirmed by the editor and knowing fulll well that Superman had to get to WF as fast as possible before he replaced the multiverse. We pointed out that even if it was countless Superman still sun dipped for maybe a few seconds the most but you don’t acknowledge this and simply ignore it.
EXACTLY!!! It's obviously baiting. One person even put wanked characters in the thread. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. I dont see anyone going around bashing when people go in threads calling Hulk low meta or Thor street level or Silver Surfer slow.
The other time when you and Albert were touting a tweet and then when the person said that he was misinformed and corrects himself, you then say that it’s not admissable.
I don’t get involved much but I lurk on the forums and I can find ton of these examples, and that’s people don’t take you seriously. You have a lot of time and it seems that you put in a lot of effort (this is commendable) with getting scans but you’re not always truthful and that’s why your rep takes a hit. If you have to lie to win an argument then I would, I think just stay out of the argument all together.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman one punch kill Thor...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=662701&highlight=%22Superman+vs%22I'm being civil asking for fts and Philo tells me to be a man.. lol
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=662587&highlight=%22Superman+vs%22
That's a good way for this to go.
I say the Annihilators win and get attacked. Lol...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=662528&pagenumber=2
At the end of the day, I can post numerous of threads like this. People can go in and say "Hulk gets one shot killed" or "Gladiator and Superman heat vision each other melting Hulk during the process", they can get away with things like that but if I vote against a certain character, it is a problem.
This probably isn't a game you want to play, tbh. Whether you get trolled isn't in doubt, it's pretty darned obvious it happens.
Whether you do anything to earn it, is another story. Hence the "Don't play this game", because it will result in sooo many postings of point/counterpoint that no one wants to see..
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty much.I mean, Carv even had two separate arguments, 4 years apart, on the exact same topic, with Galan. The first time, it ends with Carver saying 'yes, fine, you're right Galan', and then 4 years later, he pops up again, with the exact same argument (it was to do with OWAW, and how Imperieix Probes don't release energy when they explode, or some nonsense).
He then continues to argue that WWH regenerated his limbs, and matter manipulated his gladiator sandals and armour back.
Exactly the same argument. Hell, I'm not surprised if two years down the line, Carver starts arguing that Superman destroyed a tiny hollow planet AGAIN.
He'll then disappear, wait until the original thread was buried, then rear his head back up again.
This and what Philo said.
Certain people should just be banned from talking about Superman. Its pointless. Carvers brain doesn't work right when talking about Superman, its like it shuts down.
@Diesldude..
That is called DEBATING, not lying. Ya know, like when Stoic mentioned WBH destroyed a solar system and all of you ganged up on him saying he didnt. I couldve called all of you liars for not agreeing with Stoic opinion on the matter but you felt as if the ft was debatable and argued against it. It's like you all want me to agree with everything you say. Well, that's not going to happen. I gave my reasoning on why I felt like Superman dove into more than 6 suns and I debated it as well. You posting what the writers are saying, we know why that doesnt fly anymore.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
This and what Philo said.Certain people should just be banned from talking about Superman. Its pointless. Carvers brain doesn't work right when talking about Superman, its like it shuts down.
😂
I miss you bro. So if I went into every thread saying Superman wins or Superman one shots, will that make things better? If I see someone say "Hulk is trash and will get melted by a single punch from Superman", i should agree with this, huh? Because it does happen, literally all of the time. I just posted one up above where someone said Gladiator and Superman heat vision clash will kill Hulk.
