Originally posted by abhilegend
Got bitchslapped by a bunch of fodder x men.Point out the context.
What would that team have done to AM?
Originally posted by zopzopZop, you seem to misunderstand who you're talking to. You're having a separate conversation with Abhi on how Terrax is a jobber. The showings I brought up are not made to say he is a jobber - they're meant to show relative comparisons [as much as possible] between Aquaman and Terrax - in order to justify the fact that Aquaman would be competitive with Morg, the same way Terrax was.
Are you kidding me? Ganymede was dancing around and hurting Tyrant for phucksake! Losing to Sentry is jobbing now? He's a full tier above Terrax.How about going toe to toe with a double Galactus amped Dazzler inside a super massive black hole while weakened and giving her the fight of her life.
How about going toe to toe with The New Warriors and the Fantastic Four armed with anti-Terrax weaponry designed by Reed and still not going down until the Surfer showed up and BFRed him. The reason the BFR worked was because Terrax was incarnate in a weakened body!
How about going toe to toe with Firelord/Air Walker/Nova in that weakened body and they still couldn't put him down.
Then you have super space cheese feats like planet busting or lifting the entire island of Manhattan into orbit or surviving inside a super massive black hole for weeks.
Terrax or Morg would murder AM (and I'm saying this as a fan of AM). They'd also murder Namor (AM's Marvel equivalent).
On that train of thought, we've seen that Ganymede [a poor man's Wonder Woman -- and if you contest this, I'm more than happy to make the thread and show you that Wonder Woman absolutely wipes the floor with her] beat his ass casually, and easily, in melee. You're also using Ganymede's sucker attack energy-blast hurting Tyrant before getting one-shotted[I'm assuming you're referring to this: https://i.imgur.com/4YVfwnS.jpg] but you're absolutely missing the fact that Ganymede has not used the energy blast against Terrax, but simply beat his hand in close quarters [see the scans above] -- the same way Terrax was competitive in close quarters with Morg. So then, I ask you, what relevance does her energy blast hurting Tyrant, have to do with her physically beating Terrax handily in fisticuffs?
I mean, if you really want to bring up 'hurting' that class of characters as showings, then here's Wonder Woman using her sword to pull Darkseid's eyes out:
https://imgur.com/a/aLWNE
Notice that Wonder Woman didn't use her sword in the Aquaman fight I showed -- so how is this relevant for Arthur? Absolutely in no way. The same way Ganymede using an attack to hurt Tyrant, that she didn't use on Terrax, is not relevant.
On a similar line of thought -- using Sentry has nothing to do with him being a jobber [again, you're confusing your discussion with me, for another]. It's to show the contrast between Aquaman vastly overpowerforming Terrax against a similar character [Superman].
Aquaman doesn't have the 'cosmic cheese' of going into black holes and whatnot -- certainly, but he makes up by fighting characters who do. So we have Aquaman in close quarters, fighting superior characters of the same analogues Terrax does [Superman/Sentry, Wonder Woman/Ganymede] and doing vastly better.
We have the same Terrax doing reasonably well in close quarters against Morg [exp: https://imgur.com/a/pU3VB].
And your conclusion is that Aquaman wouldn't be able to replicate a similar performance, against a notorious brawler [i.e. that's how he fights in character] Morg?
Before you ask [or assume], I never said who wins in this thread, either...but I take problems with your assumption that Aquaman wouldn't be considerably competitive against, in the type of fight that he does.
Originally posted by zopzop
Let me get this straight, he went up against a Team of X-Men consisting of : Storm, Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Prestige (Rachel Summers), Wolverine and lost?What would that team have done to AM?
Originally posted by -Pr-
"Fodder" X-Men. I swear, some people just want to get banned.
What?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Zop, you seem to misunderstand who you're talking to. You're having a separate conversation with Abhi on how Terrax is a jobber. The showings I brought up are not made to say he is a jobber - they're meant to show relative comparisons [as much as possible] between Aquaman and Terrax - in order to justify the fact that Aquaman would be competitive with Morg, the same way Terrax was.On that train of thought, we've seen that Ganymede [a poor man's Wonder Woman -- and if you contest this, I'm more than happy to make the thread and show you that Wonder Woman absolutely wipes the floor with her] beat his ass casually, and easily, in melee. You're also using Ganymede's sucker attack energy-blast hurting Tyrant before getting one-shotted[I'm assuming you're referring to this: https://i.imgur.com/4YVfwnS.jpg] but you're absolutely missing the fact that Ganymede has not used the energy blast against Terrax, but simply beat his hand in close quarters [see the scans above] -- the same way Terrax was competitive in close quarters with Morg. So then, I ask you, what relevance does her energy blast hurting Tyrant, have to do with her physically beating Terrax handily in fisticuffs?
I mean, if you really want to bring up 'hurting' that class of characters as showings, then here's Wonder Woman using her sword to pull Darkseid's eyes out:
https://imgur.com/a/aLWNE
Notice that Wonder Woman didn't use her sword in the Aquaman fight I showed -- so how is this relevant for Arthur? Absolutely in no way. The same way Ganymede using an attack to hurt Tyrant, that she didn't use on Terrax, is not relevant.On a similar line of thought -- using Sentry has nothing to do with him being a jobber [again, you're confusing your discussion with me, for another]. It's to show the contrast between Aquaman vastly overpowerforming Terrax against a similar character [Superman].
Aquaman doesn't have the 'cosmic cheese' of going into black holes and whatnot -- certainly, but he makes up by fighting characters who do. So we have Aquaman in close quarters, fighting superior characters of the same analogues Terrax does [Superman/Sentry, Wonder Woman/Ganymede] and doing vastly better.
We have the same Terrax doing reasonably well in close quarters against Morg [exp: https://imgur.com/a/pU3VB].
And your conclusion is that Aquaman wouldn't be able to replicate a similar performance, against a notorious brawler [i.e. that's how he fights in character] Morg?
Before you ask [or assume], I never said who wins in this thread, either...but I take problems with your assumption that Aquaman wouldn't be considerably competitive against, in the type of fight that he does.
AM/Terrax/Morg are BRAWLERS. They're not gonna be jumping around landing punches or using ninja reflexes to dodge anything, they are gonna stand there and go toe to toe trading blows.
This thread didn't limit them strictly H2H, this is all powers in play. Terrax is more powerful than AM. Morg is more powerful than both. Either of them would beat AM.
Originally posted by zopzopI....didn't ask you to confirm Ganymede's style of fighting but....yes....she's a Wonder Woman analogue [her origins are basically Themyscira], and she wields a weapon that projects energy that, when using a sucker punch, hurt Tyrant ... an ability she didn't use against Terrax....so it's...irrelevant as far as he's concerned, as she just beat him down in conventionally close quarters combat. I feel like you're not even talking to me anymore, weirdly enough, lol.
Ganymede is a "pixie" type fighter (see Spiderman, Mongoose, etc...). She has superhuman physical stats, FTL flight speed, extensive combat training, and a weapon that can hurt a (minimum) Skyfather level being. She was dodging laser blasts at point blank range from Surfer and she went up against Tyrant again in Cosmic Powers 6 and was the last person standing (by dodging his attacks) before Thanos showed up.AM/Terrax/Morg are BRAWLERS. They're not gonna be jumping around landing punches or using ninja reflexes to dodge anything, they are gonna stand there and go toe to toe trading blows.
This thread didn't limit them strictly H2H, this is all powers in play. Terrax is more powerful than AM. Morg is more powerful than both. Either of them would beat AM.
Since I brought up Wonder Woman's sword hurting Darkseid having no relevance as far as Aquaman is concerned, in order to illustrate why Ganymede's energy having hurt Tyrant having no relevance as far as Terrax is concerned [since neither Aquaman nor Terrax took the sword/blast], I figure it's worth showing Aquaman himself piercing Darkseid:
And one-shotting white martians types:
Yes, they're all [Morg/Terrax/Aquaman] generally using hand/weapon to hand/weapon combat, and toe to toe trading blows, Aquaman outperformed Terrax against similar types of opponents in physical combat [i.e. Diana [stalemate for Arthur, multiple times], Ganymede [clear loss for Terrax]; Superman [Arthur at least stood his ground], Sentry [Terrax was a nuisance at best]]. Terrax was competitive, in the same type of fight, to Morg, so the 3 of them would, in this type of fight, be competitive to one another.
I feel like I already said this like....3 times, and I don't like repeating it ad nauseam. So in closing...
If we're in the 'let's voice our opinions out loud' part of the discussion..
Terrax needs to keep his distance with Earth control [unless they're around water...] against Aquaman, otherwise [by the aforementioned, and repeatedly pointed out comparisons], Arthur would most likely push it in, or put the trident through his head. Which is challenging, given that Aquaman speed-rammed Wonder Woman trying to lasso him after punching Superman away:
And his fast paced leaping is compared to flying:
Morg? That's why I made the thread 🙂 I'd give it to Morg, due to energy blasts. The Trident doesn't have enough feats to say Arthur'd be able to defend himself indefinitely, and he can't keep dodging forever. He'd make it contested if he closes the distance and goes close quarters, and Morg accepts that type of fight. But when the latter mixes it up, Arthur'd lose.
Then there's TP...which is difficult to judge for current Aquaman.
@Philo
Except it wasn't a one time thing with Ganymede and Tyrant. She outlasted her teammates against Tyrant because of her speed and agility (till Thanos showed up). It was in Cosmic Powers 6.
She's hurt Surfer with her staff without firing any energy blasts from it :
Back to Terrax, Firelord and Airwalker couldn't physically restrain him (even in his weakened state). He's casually pwned the Thing. He stood up to a cosmic powered Gamora with Godslayer. So his fight vs Morg isn't some fluke.
He'd slaughter AM with all powers in play.
Regarding strictly H2H, he'd win in any non aquatic environment. He'd lose in/around water because of AM's superior maneuverability there.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Philo
Except it wasn't a one time thing with Ganymede and Tyrant. She outlasted her teammates against Tyrant because of her speed and agility (till Thanos showed up). It was in Cosmic Powers 6.
She's hurt Surfer with her staff without firing any energy blasts from it :
Back to Terrax, Firelord and Airwalker couldn't physically restrain him (even in his weakened state). He's casually pwned the Thing. He stood up to a cosmic powered Gamora with Godslayer. So his fight vs Morg isn't some fluke.
He'd slaughter AM with all powers in play.
Regarding strictly H2H, he'd win in any non aquatic environment. He'd lose in/around water because of AM's superior maneuverability there.
Morg would win even in water.
Originally posted by zopzopZop, you need to focus, because you're all over the place. It's really odd talking to you, in general.
@Philo
Except it wasn't a one time thing with Ganymede and Tyrant. She outlasted her teammates against Tyrant because of her speed and agility (till Thanos showed up). It was in Cosmic Powers 6.She's hurt Surfer with her staff without firing any energy blasts from it :
Back to Terrax, Firelord and Airwalker couldn't physically restrain him (even in his weakened state). He's casually pwned the Thing. He stood up to a cosmic powered Gamora with Godslayer. So his fight vs Morg isn't some fluke.
He'd slaughter AM with all powers in play.
Regarding strictly H2H, he'd win in any non aquatic environment. He'd lose in/around water because of AM's superior maneuverability there.
I said Ganymede [poor man's Wonder Woman] beat Terrax. You said, well, she hurt Tyrant. I said she hurt Tyrant with a sucker shot energy blast that she never used on Terrax, and only beat him strictly with melee.
Thus, your point about her hurting Tyrant is irrelevant.
Do you follow up until now?
Good.
Now..
Ganymede Mongoose-ing Surfer is supposed to show...what...exactly?
Where did I say she can't hurt heralds.....when...she...beat a herald?
What does this have to do with anything?
Why are you cutting off the Surfer/Ganymede confrontation, just before Surfer casually restrains her while saying that he's been holding back the entire confrontation?
This is...weird.
Zop, why are you saying random stuff, here? What is your point?
Do you even have a point?
You bring the Thing....and Gamora...to argue that Morg wasn't a fluke.
What does that have to do with anything?
Where did I say Morg is a fluke?
What the f*ck is going on, zop?
Are you too afraid to try and argue that Ganymede is superior to Wonder Woman so you're beating around the bush?
I'll make it easy for you:
Wonder Woman is superior to Ganymede, and you will get shitstomped if you want to compare them.
Aquaman fought Wonder Woman to a standstill, while Terrax got humiliated by Ganymede.
There.
Do you challenge any of this?
I feel like Patrick Swayze in Ghost. I'm talking, but you only seem to be talking to yourself.
Because this is borderline incoherent.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Zop, you need to focus, because you're all over the place. It's really odd talking to you, in general.I said Ganymede [poor man's Wonder Woman] beat Terrax. You said, well, she hurt Tyrant. I said she hurt Tyrant with a sucker shot energy blast that she never used on Terrax, and only beat him strictly with melee.
Thus, your point about her hurting Tyrant is irrelevant.
Do you follow up until now?
Good.
Now..
Ganymede Mongoose-ing Surfer is supposed to show...what...exactly?
Where did I say she can't hurt heralds.....when...she...beat a herald?
What does this have to do with anything?
Why are you cutting off the Surfer/Ganymede confrontation, just before Surfer casually restrains her while saying that he's been holding back the entire confrontation?
This is...weird.
Zop, why are you saying random stuff, here? What is your point?
Do you even have a point?
You bring the Thing....and Gamora...to argue that Morg wasn't a fluke.
What does that have to do with anything?
Where did I say Morg is a fluke?
What the f*ck is going on, zop?
Are you too afraid to try and argue that Ganymede is superior to Wonder Woman so you're beating around the bush?
I'll make it easy for you:
Wonder Woman is vastly superior to Ganymede, and you will get shitstomped if you want to do this.
Aquaman fought Wonder Woman to a standstill, while Terrax got humiliated by Ganymede.There.
Do you challenge any of this?
I feel like Patrick Swayze in Ghost. I'm talking, but you only seem to be talking to yourself.
Because this is borderline incoherent.
Wonder Woman wasn't fighting like that vs AM. They were just brawling. And if a fight between Terrax and AM comes down to brawling (especially away from water), AM is dead. A battle between Terrax and AM with all powers in play is even worse for AM, he'd lose no matter where the fight took place.
Morg > Terrax > AM.
Originally posted by zopzopYes, Surfer did much better than Terrax against Ganymede...but what does that have to do with anything?
It's really not hard.
A) Regarding Surfer, he's a full tier above Terrax in power. I'd expect him to do much better vs Ganymede.
B) Ganymede is a pixie type fighter (hit and run). That's how she fought Terrax, using her superior speed to humiliate him. Nevermind that Terrax fought like an idiot completely ignoring his other powers to neutralize her superior combat speed. This is why she was last man standing vs Tyrant while Terrax/Legacy/Jack of Hearts fell.Wonder Woman wasn't fighting like that vs AM. They were just brawling. And if a fight between Terrax and AM comes down to brawling (especially away from water), AM is dead. A battle between Terrax and AM with all powers in play is even worse for AM, he'd lose no matter where the fight took place.
Morg > Terrax > AM.
Why did you omit the scan where it says that Surfer was holding back and he easily stopped her?
You ended up putting Terrax in an even worse light, when you forced me to put out the scan that you purposely left out, to see how Surfer treats her.
The fact that Terrax couldn't do against Ganymede what Aquaman does against Diana should you clue you in that maybe -- just maybe -- he's inferior. While Terrax gets danced around and treated like a toddler, Aquaman bullrushes WW at superspeed [https://imgur.com/a/xsCae1H], goes into double-ko slugfests and grapples with her [hey, I'm giving today with scans]:
Also, hold up -- but you think that Aquaman, who brawls with Wonder Woman to a standstill -- would lose in a brawl with Terrax?
You...
You think Terrax would take Wonder Woman in a brawl?
Are you serious, zop?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, Surfer did much better than Terrax against Ganymede...but what does that have to do with anything?Why did you omit the scan where it says that Surfer was holding back and he easily stopped her?
You ended up putting Terrax in an even worse light, when you forced me to put out the scan that you purposely left out, to see how Surfer treats her.
The fact that Terrax couldn't do against Ganymede what Aquaman does against Diana should you clue you in that maybe -- just maybe -- he's inferior. While Terrax gets danced around and treated like a toddler, Aquaman bullrushes WW at superspeed [https://imgur.com/a/xsCae1H], goes into double-ko slugfests and grapples with her [hey, I'm giving today with scans]:
Also, hold up -- but you think that Aquaman, who brawls with Wonder Woman to a standstill -- would lose in a brawl with Terrax?
You...
You think Terrax would take Wonder Woman in a brawl?
Are you serious, zop?
Your scans regarding WW and AM prove my point. They were brawling! That fight style is much more up Terrax's alley than Ganymede's hit and run style. Also, AM didn't take Diana in a fight. It was a scuffle that was cut short (both times they fought btw).
Originally posted by zopzopI don't think you fully understand how much ground you lost on Ganymede. The discussion went like this:
How does Surfer humiliating Ganymede put Terrax in a worse light? A High Herald handled Ganymede much better than a Mid Herald. What's the controversy?Your scans regarding WW and AM prove my point. They were brawling! That fight style is much more up Terrax's alley than Ganymede's hit and run style. Also, AM didn't take Diana in a fight. It was a scuffle that was cut short (both times they fought btw).
Me: Terrax lost to Ganymede, a budget Diana, while Aquaman stalemated Wonder Woman herself
You [and I quote]: Ganymede has hurt a (minimum) Skyfather level being in Tyrant
Me: She hurts him with a sucker shot energy attack, and she used no energy attack on Terrax, but beat him purely physically. Here's both Diana and Arthur hurting Darkseid, btw.
You: Uhh....well, here she hurts Surfer!
Me: What does that have to do with your initial point? Also, you hid a scan, here it is showing Surfer was holding back, and easily handles her once she gets serious
You [by this point, in oh **** mode]: Well....uhh....she...is agile! Wonder Woman didn't fight Aquaman as speedy!
Me: Aquaman used his super-speed to bullrush Wonder Woman while having the lasso wrapped around his neck, grappled with her evenly and double-kod eachother, in 3 separate fights
You: ... uh...? MORG > TERRAX> AQUAMAN!!
Other highlights:
You: Terrax losing to Sentry is not jobbing!
Me: I never said anything about jobbing, you're talking with abhi about that...
You: *crickets*
--
You: Morg is not a fluke, and to prove it here's his showings against Thing, Gamora and Air Walker/Firelord
Me: I..never said it was...what...are you talking about?
You: *crickets*
---
You: Aquaman managed to brawl with Wonder Woman evenly, that proves Terrax will outbrawl Aquaman. MORG > TERRAX> AQUAMAN!!
Me: What the f*ck? So you think Terrax can beat Wonder Woman in a brawl?
You: *crickets*
Also, no. In their last fight/scuffle [that there's more than two of, by the way], Arthur and Diana were continuously fighting while Barry was trying to overcome the Still Force, and the result of the confrontation is both of them on the ground.
It was posted here:
Originally posted by Philosophía
I never said anything about jobbing, did I?The Terrax that fought Morg? You mean the one that got the utter shit beat out of him by a 2-dollar analogue of Wonder Woman?
While Aquaman goes double-KO with the real deal?
Are we talking about the Terrax that got dick slapped by a non-serious Sentry at his utmost Superman analogue?
https://imgur.com/a/Ggp5eWhile Aquaman can at least bother non-serious Superman, even if not damage?
https://imgur.com/a/svYUsvp
You're hilarious zop, but oh so all over the place to talk to.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't think you fully understand how much ground you lost on Ganymede. The discussion went like this:Me: Terrax lost to Ganymede, a budget Diana, while Aquaman stalemated Wonder Woman herself
You [and I quote]: Ganymede has hurt a (minimum) Skyfather level being in Tyrant
Me: She hurts him with a sucker shot energy attack, and she used no energy attack on Terrax, but beat him purely physically. Here's both Diana and Arthur hurting Darkseid, btw.
You: Uhh....well, here she hurts Surfer!
Me: What does that have to do with your initial point? Also, you hid a scan, here it is showing Surfer was holding back, and easily handles her once she gets serious
You [by this point, in oh **** mode]: Well....uhh....she...is agile! Wonder Woman didn't fight Aquaman as speedy!
Me: Aquaman used his super-speed to bullrush Wonder Woman while having the lasso wrapped around his neck, grappled with her evenly and double-kod eachother, in 3 separate fights
You: ... uh...? MORG > TERRAX> AQUAMAN!!Other highlights:
You: Terrax losing to Sentry is not jobbing!
Me: I never said anything about jobbing, you're talking with abhi about that...
You: *crickets*--
You: Morg is not a fluke, and to prove it here's his showings against Thing, Gamora and Air Walker/Firelord
Me: I..never said it was...what...are you talking about?
You: *crickets*---
You: Aquaman managed to brawl with Wonder Woman evenly, that proves Terrax will outbrawl Aquaman. MORG > TERRAX> AQUAMAN!!
Me: What the f*ck? So you think Terrax can beat Wonder Woman in a brawl?
You: *crickets*Also, no. In their last fight/scuffle [that there's more than two of, by the way], Arthur and Diana were continuously fighting while Barry was trying to overcome the Still Force, and the result of the confrontation is both of them on the ground.
It was posted here:
You're hilarious zop, but oh so all over the place to talk to.
If AM fights Terrax the way he fought WW, he'd be dead. He wouldn't be brawling with an old friend trying to reason with him, he'd be fighting a straight up killer.
Originally posted by zopzopDo you read my posts?
How did I lose ground on Ganymede? The WW/AM fights were straight up brawls. She never fought him in the manner Ganymede fought Terrax even though she easily could have. Everyone can see the different fight styles in the scans.If AM fights Terrax the way he fought WW, he'd be dead. He wouldn't be brawling with an old friend trying to reason with him, he'd be fighting a straight up killer.
I'm legitimately wondering if you do. lol
Wonder Woman wasn't brawling with an old friend, trying to reason with him. That was only in the short scuffle in JLA [where he used super-speed to close the distance and bullrush her.......] -- but the relevant fight is when she thought she was fighting Cheetah [a super-speed h2h fighter who Diana uses speed and agility against to block and dodge her attacks....btw....]. The fight ended with both of them on the ground.
Seriously, do you..even open....the...scans?
How you lost ground? You tried to defend Terrax losing to Ganymede as her being a skyfather hurting being, until I pointed out that she didn't use the sucker-punch skyfather hurting energy on Terrax, but simply beat his ass physically. Then you randomly brought up her 'hurting' Surfer (??), and also hiding the scan [???] where Surfer easily stops her and tells her he held back.
Now you're incoherently screaming "Pixie type fighter! pixie type fighter! Mongoose!". How about this -- Aquaman is not a slow retard that Wonder Woman can dance around, but a skilled, strong, fast combatant. Terrax, on the other hand, looks like a guy trying to catch his cat after 25 beers [stiltmanftw]
Furthermore...
you keep zop--zop--zop-ing around like a rabbit with this....
and since I already asked this repeatedly, I'll let somebody else ask it...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What if Terrax fought WW in that same way?What if we have a brawl thread where WW - the best h2h combatant in the herald tier - fights Terrax?
Would Terrax do better or worse than AM?
