Originally posted by dadudemon
No, he captured it perfectly.Humans have a clear and measurable reaction to prohibitions: the illegal acting humans can expand their illegal behaviors and monetize the criminality (expanding it and making it far worse) where as the legal portion continues to still be legal.
He probably didn't realize he was correctly capturing a well understood sociological phenomena that is at the heart of what is wrong with prohibitions.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Tax payers do not "fund" Planned Parenthood either. Planned Parenthood bills Medicaid for non-abortion medical services it provides to the poor. You know, like every other medical service provider in the country is entitled to do.
The anti-PP types have to push the narrative the PP exist mostly to perform abortions and that tax payers are paying for said abortions, when as you know, both of these narratives are wrong. iirc, pregnancy tests, cancer and std screenings and affordable contraceptives are the most common services at PP.
Remember in 2017 or so when these same types were pushing doctored videos "proving" that PP was havesting and selling "baby parts" on the back market.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Get back to me when you have a legitimate source, and not a propaganda website.
The onus is on your to prove it is wrong if you disagree with it.
It just so happens, all their facts are backed up using actual, veritable, mapping information freely accessible to the public. You can think they are biased all you want - great! But dispute the facts, not the bias.
You may hate it that those PP (lol) locations are in minority locations, mostly black, but those are the facts. I can't change facts because a bunch of black people are educating themselves about the Black Genocide problem American is experiencing. Are you getting upset that black people are no longer suckling the teet of Democratic Slavery?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The difference is that poor white people tend to be spread out across rural communities
You didn't pay attention to the source, then. Here is how they narrowed down their facts:
"Every minority population over 50% is considered targeted, as are minority populations that are at least 1.5 times higher than the percentage of the surrounding county."
Guess which race is the majority in almost all locations in the US? White.
They would have had to go out of their way, quite intentionally, to target black neighborhoods.
There are some poor-ass cities around me. Poor as hell. Farming and meth seem to be the only jobs around. Almost completely white, though. Where are the PP surgical facilities? If what you said is correct, you'd see far more around these cities.
In tennis, this is what you call "Game, Set, and Match."
Originally posted by dadudemon
The onus is on your to prove it is wrong if you disagree with it.It just so happens, all their facts are backed up using actual, veritable, mapping information freely accessible to the public. You can think they are biased all you want - great! But dispute the facts, not the bias.
You may hate it that those PP (lol) locations are in minority locations, mostly black, but those are the facts. I can't change facts because a bunch of black people are educating themselves about the Black Genocide problem American is experiencing. Are you getting upset that black people are no longer suckling the teet of Democratic Slavery?
You didn't pay attention to the source, then. Here is how they narrowed down their facts:
"Every minority population over 50% is considered targeted, as are minority populations that are at least 1.5 times higher than the percentage of the surrounding county."
Guess which race is the majority in almost all locations in the US? White.
They would have had to go out of their way, quite intentionally, to target black neighborhoods.
There are some poor-ass cities around me. Poor as hell. Farming and meth seem to be the only jobs around. Almost completely white, though. Where are the PP surgical facilities? If what you said is correct, you'd see far more around these cities.
In tennis, this is what you call "Game, Set, and Match."
Poor white communities tend to be conservative. Maybe PP aren't in those communities simply because they would be heavily protested.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The onus is on your to prove it is wrong if you disagree with it.It just so happens, all their facts are backed up using actual, veritable, mapping information freely accessible to the public. You can think they are biased all you want - great! But dispute the facts, not the bias.
You may hate it that those PP (lol) locations are in minority locations, mostly black, but those are the facts. I can't change facts because a bunch of black people are educating themselves about the Black Genocide problem American is experiencing. Are you getting upset that black people are no longer suckling the teet of Democratic Slavery?
That is not how the burden of proof works at all.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't pay attention to the source, then. Here is how they narrowed down their facts:"Every minority population over 50% is considered targeted, as are minority populations that are at least 1.5 times higher than the percentage of the surrounding county."
Guess which race is the majority in almost all locations in the US? White.
They would have had to go out of their way, quite intentionally, to target black neighborhoods.
There are some poor-ass cities around me. Poor as hell. Farming and meth seem to be the only jobs around. Almost completely white, though. Where are the PP surgical facilities? If what you said is correct, you'd see far more around these cities.
In tennis, this is what you call "Game, Set, and Match."
Poor farming communities are not population dense, are they? So that does not contradict my point at all, does it?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is not how the burden of proof works at all.
lol, nice try, but yes it is.
The proof has been provided. It is up to you to provide counter-proof if you wish to disprove it. Disproving it is impossible, however: census data is readily available, google maps with addresses are readily available. What are you going to do, pull out a higher tier census and a higher tier mapping system?
Here is how it doesn't work: "I don't like these facts so I will ignore them."
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Poor farming communities are not population dense, are they? So that does not contradict my point at all, does it?
Sure does. My point was definitely more specific than just a rural village - note the lack of reference to rural village types in my post. Would you like to take a stab at why a city with well over a million people, including the metropolitan area, would be lacking PP surgical centers? Hint: it has to do with race population ratios and lack of super super race-heavy neighborhoods.
Care to take a better stab a rebuttal? You're 0/2.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Poor white communities tend to be conservative. Maybe PP aren't in those communities simply because they would be heavily protested.
Contrary to popular belief, conservatives don't protest very much. That's something young white liberals do. And the Westboro baptist church. Reality is, there are PP surgical centers in mostly white neighborhoods out there. They are just a small minority. And many poor white-majority areas are lacking these same facilities. Why would that be? Well, it should be obvious: passive population control of minorities especially blacks.
Additionally, there are the problems of these facts confounding your perspective:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/30/facts-about-abortion-debate-in-america/
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/emily-ward/blacks-make-134-population-36-abortions
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/25-states-with-most-abortions/1/
Originally posted by dadudemon
Contrary to popular belief, conservatives don't protest very much. That's something young white liberals do. And the Westboro baptist church. Reality is, there are PP surgical centers in mostly white neighborhoods out there. They are just a small minority. And many poor white-majority areas are lacking these same facilities. Why would that be? Well, it should be obvious: passive population control of minorities especially blacks.Additionally, there are the problems of these facts confounding your perspective:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/30/facts-about-abortion-debate-in-america/
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/emily-ward/blacks-make-134-population-36-abortions
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/25-states-with-most-abortions/1/
There's a ridiculously large number of other factors at play. Again, poor white areas tend to be conservative. That means their local government tends to be republican who will always throw up barriers and refuse permits for PP and other abortion providers.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you do not like it, then why do you not go back to Haiti, and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested place from which your parents came?
Nice one you moronic ****. I love the fact that your only answer is to go back to Haiti. Truly the words of a white liberal racist.
My parents came to this Country to give my little sister and myself a better life. A life I am proud off. A life I have done the best to help the families I have back in Haiti. I am not so dense that I believe I can make a difference in Haiti with all the bad shits that takes place, but I help my family.
I love the fact you omit one of the reasons Haiti’s so **** up was because of the Clinton’s shady deals.
I chose to become a citizen of this country, I have bled for this country, I have lost brothers defending this country, far more than your racist ass can claim.
In the end, this immigrant have done far more for this country than your racist ass will ever accomplish.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Out of a 100%.DDM's theory represents what %
Jaden's theory represents what %
A quarter of abortion clinics have closed in the US due to state and local anti-abortion legislation since 2010
TRAP laws (targeted regulation of abortion providers) have been used locally for decades to close down or prevent the opening of abortion clinics by implementing overly burdensome regulations.
Some states implemented that abortions could only be provided at ambulatory surgical centers. Then when Planned Parenthood tried to move into those centers the states changed their zoning laws again specifically to prevent them from doing so
If their locations were purely about targeting black people and not about conservative/republican vs progressive/democrat then why does Memphis rate so low on the reproductive freedoms index despite being 63% black yet Los Angeles rates at the top despite being only 10% black?
Here's the cities scored in that report.
The demographics of some of those cities
Lowest scoring
Richmond Virginia. 50.3% black
Phoenix Arizona. 6.9% black
Oklahoma city. 15% black
Nashville Tennessee. 27%
Louisville KY. 23%
Las Vegas NV. 11%
Hartford CT 38%
Highest scoring
New York city 25%
San Francisco 5%
Chicago 32%
Philadelphia 42%
Seattle 7%
Washington 47%
Austin TX 8%
Boston 25%
Doesn't really seem to be much correlation between skin colour and abortion provision.
I wonder if there's more to it
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
A quarter of abortion clinics have closed in the US due to state and local anti-abortion legislation since 2010TRAP laws (targeted regulation of abortion providers) have been used locally for decades to close down or prevent the opening of abortion clinics by implementing overly burdensome regulations.
Some states implemented that abortions could only be provided at ambulatory surgical centers. Then when Planned Parenthood tried to move into those centers the states changed their zoning laws again specifically to prevent them from doing so
If their locations were purely about targeting black people and not about conservative/republican vs progressive/democrat then why does Memphis rate so low on the reproductive freedoms index despite being 63% black yet Los Angeles rates at the top despite being only 10% black?
None of that answered my question.
Between the two of you, which one's theory represents the more likely or main reason?
Originally posted by Silent Master
None of that answered my question.Between the two of you, which one's theory represents the more likely or main reason?
So what's more likely, that abortion provision is more about the political leanings of the legislature where the provision is located or that there's a hidden conspiracy to commit genocide on a particular demographic despite that demographic increasing in population.
F**k knows, mate.