Injustice Superman vs Unworthy Thor

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why is leaving the planet obvious, but not the solar system? You're basing this on nothing, except your own made up line.

Hell, what makes your think the sun in this situation is far away? Why isn't it just next door?

And yeah, as Phildo said......you're the one asking me to prove a negative, lol.

You using 'logic'doesn't wash, when I've already said how heralds at this level essentially play with planetary distances like humans treat 100m sprints.

Again, you're free to make whatever assumptions you want about all this... I disagree. I remember Pr talking about such things. If you don't want to take my word for it, that's totally understandable(I believe very little of what anyone says myself). If it's an issue that you actually care about, you're free to ask Pr to confirm it. If it's an issue that carver actually cares about, he's free to ask Pr to confirm it. On the other hand if it's an issue whether the two of you(yes I'm talking to you too carv) are arguing just to argue and don't really want to have the question answered definitively because what your really want is to bicker then you're both free to play "Uh-Huh/Uh-Uh" to your hearts content.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Because the rules don't assign a different default battlefield to different tiers, and it would be unreasonable to ask the Thing to knock his opponent outside of the solar system for it to count as a BFR.

Again, you're free to make whatever assumptions you want about all this... I disagree. I remember Pr talking about such things. If you don't want to take my word for it, that's totally understandable(I believe very little of what anyone says myself). If it's an issue that you actually care about, you're free to ask Pr to confirm it. If it's an issue that carver actually cares about, he's free to ask Pr to confirm it. On the other hand if it's an issue whether the two of you(yes I'm talking to you too carv) are arguing just to argue and don't really want to have the question answered definitively because what your really want is to bicker then you're both free to play "Uh-Huh/Uh-Uh" to your hearts content.

Perfect.

Mogo vs Ego. What's the size of the battlefield? Same planet?

What if Solaris is there? Rules don't assign a different default battlefield to different tiers, right? And if Unicron joins in? We assume they all start 0.5km away from each other on a planet somewhere?

Oh my.

You guys wanna break it down, some?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Perfect.

Mogo vs Ego. What's the size of the battlefield? Same planet?

What if Solaris is there? Rules don't assign a different default battlefield to different tiers, right? And if Unicron joins in? We assume they all start 0.5km away from each other on a planet somewhere?

Oh my.

But it doesn't really matter. You can believe me or not, that's up to you. I chimed in because I had a relevant memory and opinion of something you and carv were talking about. What you guys do with that info is up to you, you can go back and forth endlessly or spend 60 seconds PMing Pr and ask him if I'm telling the truth... whichever you prefer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You guys wanna break it down, some?

Originally posted by -Pr-
You guys wanna break it down, some?

If the battlefield is not defined (as most threads aren't)....

What constitutes the size of the battlefield? For example, why can't Superman fly to the Sun, or, in this case, fly Thor to the Sun?

It would literally mean no time at all for him to fly there and back, particularly as the thread and rules don't stip a field size. Planetary distances aren't exactly a problem for heralds at this level, after all. Surfer could cross it in the blink of an eye, as could Glads, Superman, GL, etc ...

Is there even a sun in a featureless environment? I know sunlight will be available for the purposes of not depowering Superman, but that doesn't mean there is an actual Star around, otherwise the environment isn't featureless mmm

Originally posted by Bentley
Is there even a sun in a featureless environment? I know sunlight will be available for the purposes of not depowering Superman, but that doesn't mean there is an actual Star around, otherwise the environment isn't featureless mmm

The battlefield morphs to accommodate them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The battlefield morphs to accommodate them.

As I said, it morphed so sunlight is available so Superman is not depowered. That doesn't require an actual star around.

This doesn't really solve anything to the point you are both trying to make, but I actually wondered if there were suns in a featureless enviornment battle before so I thought it was a point to be made there.

Originally posted by Bentley
As I said, it morphed so sunlight is available so Superman is not depowered. That doesn't require an actual star around.

This doesn't really solve anything to the point you are both trying to make, but I actually wondered if there were suns in a featureless enviornment battle before so I thought it was a point to be made there.

You know, it might be good to get clarification about the general fundamentals of the battlefield. For instance, phil said the featureless plain doesn't exist on Marvel or DC Earth in a way that seemed to imply that he considered it to be a barren planet(if I misunderstanding that though phil, please forive me), does anyone know if the mods have mentioned if that's the case? I remember at one point(before the featureless plain) it seemed like the battlefield was supposed to be a large arena with spectators to encourage the heroes to act like heroes while allowing the villains to act like villains. If it's a never ending featureless plain without anyone else on it, does that mean that heroes don't sweat any kind of collateral damage to the planet?

Originally posted by Bentley
As I said, it morphed so sunlight is available so Superman is not depowered. That doesn't require an actual star around.

This doesn't really solve anything to the point you are both trying to make, but I actually wondered if there were suns in a featureless enviornment battle before so I thought it was a point to be made there.

So it comes from a sun lamp that is powerful enough to power Superman up.

Which he can push Thor into.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You know, it might be good to get clarification about the general fundamentals of the battlefield. For instance, phil said the featureless plain doesn't exist on Marvel or DC Earth in a way that seemed to imply that he considered it to be a barren planet(if I misunderstanding that though phil, please forive me), does anyone know if the mods have mentioned if that's the case? I remember at one point(before the featureless plain) it seemed like the battlefield was supposed to be a large arena with spectators to encourage the heroes to act like heroes while allowing the villains to act like villains. If it's a never ending featureless plain without anyone else on it, does that mean that heroes don't sweat any kind of collateral damage to the planet?

....you COULD spend 60 secs and read the forum rules....?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
....you COULD spend 60 secs and read the forum rules....?

Bada and Galan are free to weigh in, but for me, a featureless environment was what was decided to make the arena as fair as possible to both sides. If, say, Cyclops was fighting Wolverine, the presence of buildings and civilians would hamper Cyclops far more than it would Wolverine, so a featureless environment levels the playing field.

In this featureless environment there's still sunlight (and a sun if you really want there to be one, sure), but no, you can't fly to the sun if you're arguing Superman. Why? Because we saw on more than one occasion that Superman starts rapidly amping the closer he gets to the sun. It's a way of saving us from having to do with Superman what was done with Sentry and Hulk.

Technically, Superman could grab his opponent and yeet them in to the sun, sure, but Superman would never do that, so it's really a moot point imo.

Nightcrawler doesn't self-bfr when he teleports during a fight. He might pass through a hell-dimension, sure, but he's still ending his teleport inside the arena. It's not the same as teleporting back to the mansion and asking Beast for a laser gun or something else to help him in his fight.

For characters like say, Magneto, there's the "normal" amount of metal in the ground that there would be on Earth. Even if there are no large bodies of water nearby, there's enough water-vapour in the air that Aquaman/Namor doesn't get dehydrated easily. Geo-Force can still call on lava etc.

It's about having the bare minimum in the vaguest way possible rather than getting in to finer details.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I did, they said characters aren't allowed to leave the battlefield and describe the battlefield as a flat featureless plain. Ergo if they were to leave that flat featureless plane and go to the sun, they'd be leaving the battlefield.

So as per your 'reading' of the rules, when they hover above the plain, they have left it? As soon as Surfer steps onto his board, he's left the plain?

Nightcrawler leaves it?

What if Superman angles himself so Thor punches him towards the Sun? He hasn't left it on purpose - it's Thor who propelled him. Then he slowly counts down in his head so that he can return to the battlefield in 'good time, under his own power'?

Good reading 👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
Technically, Superman could grab his opponent and yeet them in to the sun, sure, but Superman would never do that, so it's really a moot point imo.

Thanks.

Injustice Superman wins.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Bada and Galan are free to weigh in, but for me, a featureless environment was what was decided to make the arena as fair as possible to both sides. If, say, Cyclops was fighting Wolverine, the presence of buildings and civilians would hamper Cyclops far more than it would Wolverine, so a featureless environment levels the playing field.

In this featureless environment there's still sunlight (and a sun if you really want there to be one, sure), but no, you can't fly to the sun if you're arguing Superman. Why? Because we saw on more than one occasion that Superman starts rapidly amping the closer he gets to the sun. It's a way of saving us from having to do with Superman what was done with Sentry and Hulk.

Technically, Superman could grab his opponent and yeet them in to the sun, sure, but Superman would never do that, so it's really a moot point imo.

Nightcrawler doesn't self-bfr when he teleports during a fight. He might pass through a hell-dimension, sure, but he's still ending his teleport inside the arena. It's not the same as teleporting back to the mansion and asking Beast for a laser gun or something else to help him in his fight.

For characters like say, Magneto, there's the "normal" amount of metal in the ground that there would be on Earth. Even if there are no large bodies of water nearby, there's enough water-vapour in the air that Aquaman/Namor doesn't get dehydrated easily. Geo-Force can still call on lava etc.

It's about having the bare minimum in the vaguest way possible rather than getting in to finer details.

As for the rest of the post, so its there to stop what I term 616 Superman from being too powerful, which is also OK.

My question is - what is the battlefield size? Ignoring the Sun for now - Earth (or this planet) can still be a pretty big place. It would be nothing for a Surfer, or a GL, or a Flash, or a Superman, to crisscross.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So as per your 'reading' of the rules, when they hover above the plain, they have left it? As soon as Surfer steps onto his board, he's left the plain?

Nightcrawler leaves it?

What if Superman angles himself so Thor punches him towards the Sun? He hasn't left it on purpose - it's Thor who propelled him. Then he slowly counts down in his head so that he can return to the battlefield in 'good time, under his own power'?

Good reading 👆

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, you seem to be strawmanning everything I'm saying. But it doesn't really matter at this point since Pr just clarified that Supes can't go to the sun. I mean he absolutely left room for Galan and Bada to change things up, but he certainly killed the premise you seem to be trying to push in regards to the idea of Supes not being allowed to fly to the sun being a totally unreasonable stance...

Though it's certainly possible for Injustice Superman to throw someone there.

And certainly possible for Superman to get himself punched there, then drift off in that direction lol.

Forum rule:

If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight.

Wanna bet how quickly a sundipped Supes can fly back? 😈

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Though it's certainly possible for Injustice Superman to throw someone there.