Darth Vader vs Lord of the Rings

Okay, an issue here is that The Empire operated much differently from the Republic in terms of military campaigns.

Unlike the Republic, which actually relied on planetary invasion for success, the Empire used orbital bombardment to obliterate planets and systems. There was not such a thing as planetary invasion and surface forces were only used to aprehend important Rebels, secure bases and minor stuff.

Given the fact that the OP has ruled orbital bombardment out, then it would be logical for the Empire to change tactics and actually plan a military invasion in where prior reconnaissance was performed.

If the Empire sends 10K storm troopers (which it perfectly can), maybe some hundred AT-STs and a couple squadrons of T-fighters, Vader can decimate LOTR planet.

The ring would end up corrupting Vader, and make him a slave to Sauron’s will.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, an issue here is that The Empire operated much differently from the Republic in terms of military campaigns.

Unlike the Republic, which actually relied on planetary invasion for success, the Empire used orbital bombardment to obliterate planets and systems. There was not such a thing as planetary invasion and surface forces were only used to aprehend important Rebels, secure bases and minor stuff.

Given the fact that the OP has ruled orbital bombardment out, then it would be logical for the Empire to change tactics and actually plan a military invasion in where prior reconnaissance was performed.

[B]If the Empire sends 10K storm troopers (which it perfectly can), maybe some hundred AT-STs and a couple squadrons of T-fighters, Vader can decimate LOTR planet. [/B]

Smaug and the other dragons says high.

Sauron alone would mind **** any and all storm troopers without trying.

Originally posted by SquallX
Smaug and the other dragons says high.

Sauron alone would mind **** any and all storm troopers without trying.

This is LOTR not Hobbit, learn to read before bringing in your biases.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
This is LOTR not Hobbit, learn to read before bringing in your biases.

Fine, doesn’t change shit.

Sauron still casually mind **** everyone.

The ring still corrupt Vader and turn him to a slave to Sauron’s will.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B]If the Empire sends 10K storm troopers (which it perfectly can), maybe some hundred AT-STs and a couple squadrons of T-fighters, Vader can decimate LOTR planet. [/B]

Stormtroopers got their asses handed to them by Ewoks, I remind you.

Originally posted by SquallX
Fine, doesn’t change shit.

Sauron still casually mind **** everyone.

The ring still corrupt Vader and turn him to a slave to Sauron’s will.

When has Sauron mind raped anyone in LOTR?

Who said Vader would wear the ring? If Bilbo was able to resist the ring, then Vader makes it his dick piercing! 😆

Most force users are immune to mental manipulation; Vader certainly is.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stormtroopers got their asses handed to them by Ewoks, I remind you.

Guerilla tactics where meant to allow smaller forces to face much bigger ones.

Sure, if the Elfs and the LOTR legions were to turn to the forests and play hide and seek, they will have a better chance.

In the open fields and castles they will be decimated.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, an issue here is that The Empire operated much differently from the Republic in terms of military campaigns.

Unlike the Republic, which actually relied on planetary invasion for success, the Empire used orbital bombardment to obliterate planets and systems. There was not such a thing as planetary invasion and surface forces were only used to aprehend important Rebels, secure bases and minor stuff.

Given the fact that the OP has ruled orbital bombardment out, then it would be logical for the Empire to change tactics and actually plan a military invasion in where prior reconnaissance was performed.

[B]If the Empire sends 10K storm troopers (which it perfectly can), maybe some hundred AT-STs and a couple squadrons of T-fighters, Vader can decimate LOTR planet. [/B]

Where you getting that from? Based on the hoth invasion as well as storm troopers in solo, it seems the ground infantry is a pretty big part of empire take over tactics.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
When has Sauron mind raped anyone in LOTR?

Who said Vader would wear the ring? If Bilbo was able to resist the ring, then Vader makes it his dick piercing! 😆

Most force users are immune to mental manipulation; Vader certainly is.

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Want to note though that Force users aren't immune to mental manipulation - Jedi Masters and Sith Lords just have a high-resistance to it.

Mara Jade, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in history, was still mentally-manipulated in mid-fight by Darth Caedus, when he tricked her by creating a Force Illusion of Ben Skywalker's face over his own, in order to momentarily distract and kill her.

Originally posted by SquallX
Smaug and the other dragons says high.

Sauron alone would mind **** any and all storm troopers without trying.

What "other dragons"...?

Smaug was the last.

Originally posted by SquallX
The ring would end up corrupting Vader, and make him a slave to Sauron’s will.

And he was still able to resist the mind-raping power of the most manipulative Dark Lord in all of Galactic History.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
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Want to note though that Force users aren't immune to mental manipulation - Jedi Masters and Sith Lords just have a high-resistance to it.

Mara Jade, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in history, was still mentally-manipulated in mid-fight by Darth Caedus, when he tricked her by creating a Force Illusion of Ben Skywalker's face over his own, in order to momentarily distract and kill her.

That's outside canon however.

In current canon, there are several statements that they are, just like certain creatures like Java, etc.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Where you getting that from? Based on the hoth invasion as well as storm troopers in solo, it seems the ground infantry is a pretty big part of empire take over tactics.

The Empire never attempted to conquer planets, for no planet's goverment in their sane judgement would declare war on the Empire.

The Empire used small infantry platoons to supervise the planets or to fight the rebels.

But large armies where never deployed to force a governments or planets into submission, at least not after the creation of the Star Destroyers.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
When has Sauron mind raped anyone in LOTR?

Who said Vader would wear the ring? If Bilbo was able to resist the ring, then Vader makes it his dick piercing! 😆

Most force users are immune to mental manipulation; Vader certainly is.

Why do you think the Wizards we’re afraid to fight Sauron and we’re the ring? It’s because they knew even though Sauron had no body his essence was still powerful enough to bend them to his will.

Theirs a reason why only the Hobbits carried the ring, it’s because in that verse, Hobbits are one, if not the strongest when it comes to strong will.

Force users are not immune to manipulations, all you need to do is look at what Sidious accomplished with the Jedi council while being right under their noses.

Originally posted by SquallX
Why do you think the Wizards we’re afraid to fight Sauron and we’re the ring? It’s because they knew even though Sauron had no body his essence was still powerful enough to bend them to his will.

Theirs a reason why only the Hobbits carried the ring, it’s because in that verse, Hobbits are one, if not the strongest when it comes to strong will.

Force users are not immune to manipulations, all you need to do is look at what Sidious accomplished with the Jedi council while being right under their noses.

Wizards and beings were afraid of the ring because it would corrupt them, turn them evil! Not because Sauron would be able to control them mentally.

Ehh, the Jedi in the temple were deceived not mind manipulated.

the fact that storm troopers can't shoot straight gives lotrverse the easy victory

Originally posted by cdtm
The Dark Lord of the Sith has the ring. Everyone in Middle Earth wants it.

He's holed up in Helms Deep, with an army of storm troopers.

This OP needs far, far more detail added to it.

We need the numbers and composition for the Stormtrooper corps for one. What equipment and supplies we are working with, logistics, which Legion. There's a lot of variables both from Canon and Legends to consider here. I mean even on Endor there were variables far more than just "Stormtroopers with standard armor and E-11's" as StiltmanFTW suggested. The Empire is known for deploying prefabricated bases on the surface. which means that they can start to support far more variety and heavier options than standard E-11's very quickly, even in the absence of orbital supply drops from Star Destroyers. This also brings to the forefront the possibility of vehicles such as Walkers and Tanks, even Fighters.

Removing the obvious PIS, while I don't believe Stormtroopers are as skilled as Elves or as accurate, they are supposed to be well trained and very accurate (Read Obi's comments about the Jawa Sandcrawler's battle damage in ANH.)

With the removal of Star Destroyers from the fight, and the subsequent Orbital Bombardment options from said ships, that still leaves surgical strikes from the likes of ships like TIE/sa Bombers, Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wings, and Missile Boats, or even TIE Heavy Bombers, and Scimitar Assault Bombers.

Originally posted by cdtm
Let's say as many ground troops as would be required for waging a war on a single planet.

Throw in Tie air support and ATST's, too. No orbital bombardment.

He'd crush them.

The LotR armies are going to break in fear once the Stormtoopers begin shooting them down. Add in TIE fighters and AT-STs as well.... Yeah, they're toast. I mean, shit, a few TIE fighters can easily lay waste to entire kingdoms.

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