Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Again, can we see the forces of Middle Earth set traps like this please? Especially at the scale needed to topple an AT-ST.
Also, while I'm here, are we also forgetting that AT-ST's are far from the only ground vehicles available here? Shall I list them all? There's quite a lot.
They operate catapults, trebuches and ballistas just fine.
More than enough to smoke useless AT-STs.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Shall I list them all?
Why should you? They're not getting them here.
Cdtm had to be begged to add AT-STs and TIE fighters, lol.
TIEs would be a threat, if stormpilots could hit anything.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They operate catapults, trebuches and ballistas just fine.More than enough to smoke useless AT-STs.
All of which are used against cities as siege weapons, and none are used to attack moving targets.
A stone wall is not an AT-ST.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why should you? They're not getting them here.Cdtm had to be begged to add AT-STs and TIE fighters, lol.
TIEs would be a threat, if stormpilots could hit anything.
Because the OP is so open it never restricted anything besides Star Destroyers. In fact, the first one to say the only thing the stormies get is standard armor and E-11s in the entire thread was you, not Cdtm.
Original post by Cdtm:
Originally posted by cdtm
The Dark Lord of the Sith has the ring. Everyone in Middle Earth wants it.He's holed up in Helms Deep, with an army of storm troopers.
Literally the next few posts were both Juggerman and Josh asking for clarification of Vader's forces.
Originally posted by juggerman
How large is this army of stormtroopers? What equipment do they have? They would be facing billions of opponents here so they would need to be uber stacked
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Could the OP specify on Vader's forces.
And in response, the restriction to E-11's and standard armor only was infact, you. Not Cdtm.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Their standard equipment = E-11 Blaster Rifles.
So, nice try, but no die 😛
Originally posted by cdtm
Let's say as many ground troops as would be required for waging a war on a single planet.Throw in Tie air support and ATST's, too. No orbital bombardment.
Cdtm's very next post does not throw out restrictions to Stormtrooper equipment. He does specify vehicles. However, my main point was that there's far more options to the Empire than a cavalcade of chickenwalkers and standard E-11s as you suggested.
That said, this does change considerably what the Empire's tactics will be, considering they are lacking a full compliment of even what a single ISDI landing force would bring to the table, nevermind a personal retiune of Vader's 501st (Death Squadron/Vader's Fist) which would actially be an ISDII's landing force. Several if we go full balls to the wall.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
LOTR is doomed.Although Stilt has a good point, the LOTR has shown no Guerilla tactics.
Besides, most battles would be fought in open areas where Guerilla tactics are useless.
Vader would take the battles to the heart of Mordor and force Sauron to pay allegiance to the Emperor.
😆
You actually believe Vader can withstand Sauron powers while Vader holds the ring? 😆
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
LOTR is doomed.Although Stilt has a good point, the LOTR has shown no Guerilla tactics.
Besides, most battles would be fought in open areas where Guerilla tactics are useless.
Vader would take the battles to the heart of Mordor and force Sauron to pay allegiance to the Emperor.
Originally posted by SquallX
😆You actually believe Vader can withstand Sauron powers while Vader holds the ring? 😆
Yeah, I'm going to say that while Militarily the Empire holds all the cards, Vader would have to be very, very stupid to try to confront Sauron, on home turf, while wearing the ring. Thats so far daft, he'd be mentally anihilated. Especially considering he runs on self hatred and pain as Suit Vader, and pretty much on paranoia and fear even as human Vader.
If Anakin were to confront the Barad Dur garrison, he'd have to do it either without the Ring, or by not wearing it. The moment he puts it on within eyesight of Sauron, he's going to get wrecked.
Originally posted by SquallX
😆You actually believe Vader can withstand Sauron powers while Vader holds the ring? 😆
Again, where did the OP said Vader had to wear the Ring?
Also, do you even know how the One Ring works? The One Ring is able to control the users of the other Rings, but the wearer of the One Ring is controlled by nobody!
The One Ring doesn't enable Sauron to control he who wears it!
What the One Ring does do is to corrupt and turn the wearer into a tyrant.
In this case Vader wouldn't be affected.
You are jelous; you envy The Dark Side of the Force.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Repeating the same lie over and over again doesn't make it true, y'know.What do you think Faramir's been doing his whole life? Confronting Mumakils head on...?
Lie? Common Stilt, don't get personal with me.
I don't recall a single LOTR movie in where advance Guerilla tactics, as the ones the Rebels have desplayed, are shown.
Feel free to bring clips of such; refresh my memory.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Again, where did the OP said Vader had to wear the Ring?Also, do you even know how the One Ring works? The One Ring is able to control the users of the other Rings, but the wearer of the One Ring is controlled by nobody!
The One Ring doesn't enable Sauron to control he who wears it!
What the One Ring does do is to corrupt and turn the wearer into a tyrant.
In this case Vader wouldn't be affected.
You are jelous; you envy The Dark Side of the Force.
1. You don’t need to wear the Ring for it to corrupt you. Just being in it’s present start the process.
2. The Ring has no loyalty to anyone but Sauron. The Ring was built with Sauron will to dominate all. There’s a reason why that anyone that wears the Ring eventually heads to Sauron. Because it is Sauron will that corrupt them. That why even the high Elf fears the Ring. They are afraid to fall under Sauron powers.
3. The Ring is Sauron’s will and evil. The Ring has only one master. The closer you are to Sauron with the Ring in your procession, the faster you fall to him.
4. Yes, a Tyrant that will fall to Sauron. Remember what happen to the other Ring bearers? They all served Sauron, and their Rings were we’re far weaker compare to the One Ring, who Sauron created to control the Ring bearers.
5. Vader has been affected by far less. Sauron is far more dangerous than any Sith, and this is a Sauron without a body. Imagine what Sauron would have accomplished if he were whole.
6. Why would I be jealous of a made world? A made up world who’s not even that powerful.
Originally posted by SquallX
1. You don’t need to wear the Ring for it to corrupt you. Just being in it’s present start the process.2. The Ring has no loyalty to anyone but Sauron. The Ring was built with Sauron will to dominate all. There’s a reason why that anyone that wears the Ring eventually heads to Sauron. Because it is Sauron will that corrupt them. That why even the high Elf fears the Ring. They are afraid to fall under Sauron powers.
3. The Ring is Sauron’s will and evil. The Ring has only one master. The closer you are to Sauron with the Ring in your procession, the faster you fall to him.
4. Yes, a Tyrant that will fall to Sauron. Remember what happen to the other Ring bearers? They all served Sauron, and their Rings were we’re far weaker compare to the One Ring, who Sauron created to control the Ring bearers.
5. Vader has been affected by far less. Sauron is far more dangerous than any Sith, and this is a Sauron without a body. Imagine what Sauron would have accomplished if he were whole.
6. Why would I be jealous of a made world? A made up world who’s not even that powerful.
And yet you have it all wrong
1. Conceded.
2-4: Sauron created the One Ring to control the bearers of the Other Rings, not for someone to wear the One Ring so he can control them
The One Ring corrupts its bearers, it doesn't make them servants of Sauron!
Gandalf or Saruman could have wore the One Ring and defeat Sauron with it! They never wore it because they'd turn evil and become Dark Lods themselves!
Vader is already evil himself! The ring will only make him more powerful!
5. Isildur defeated Sauron, c'mon!
The Dark Lord will kneel to the Darth Lord or be made an example of! The LOTR world will be pacified under Vader's fist!
6. Jealous.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Again, where did the OP said Vader had to wear the Ring?Also, do you even know how the One Ring works? The One Ring is able to control the users of the other Rings, but the wearer of the One Ring is controlled by nobody!
The One Ring doesn't enable Sauron to control he who wears it!
What the One Ring does do is to corrupt and turn the wearer into a tyrant.
In this case Vader wouldn't be affected.
You are jelous; you envy The Dark Side of the Force.
To clarify, the ring is in his possession, but he isn't necessarily wearing it. He's simply defending it from competing Middle Earth threats.