My problem.with Greta Thunberg.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm all for innovation in both energy and recycling technology.

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Right. As I typed up a lot in the other thread, man-made global warming is speeding up a thousand year warming cycle into a 200 year warming cycle.

And as was pointed out by the boffins years ago, it is too late. We already did too much "warming." We should focus on longevity and pollution, now. Clean up the environment, eliminate pollution. For humans and animals. Wasting trillions on this carbon nonsense only hurts us from being able to focus on pollution and improvement.

Decades from now, we will look back at this time and scoff at the arrogance of humans, thinking we had the power to both drastically improve and degrade the climate. We will mock our ancestors misguided focus on climate and wonder why pollution wasn't at the top of the list (something that tangibly harms humans and animals alike).

At the very least our deserts are greening from the all excess CO₂.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Right. As I typed up a lot in the other thread, man-made global warming is speeding up a thousand year warming cycle into a 200 year warming cycle.

And as was pointed out by the boffins years ago, it is too late. We already did too much "warming." We should focus on longevity and pollution, now. Clean up the environment, eliminate pollution. For humans and animals. Wasting trillions on this carbon nonsense only hurts us from being able to focus on pollution and improvement.

Decades from now, we will look back at this time and scoff at the arrogance of humans, thinking we had the power to both drastically improve and degrade the climate. We will mock our ancestors misguided focus on climate and wonder why pollution wasn't at the top of the list (something that tangibly harms humans and animals alike).

You do know the average family, with a 3 bedroom house, 2 cars and 2 kids carbon foot print is nothing to a rich individual right?

Matter of facts, it is the rich and powerful that lectures the middle and low class about doing our parts to help the environment, then turn around and get in their private jets, or go in their private mansions.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That core message "data which strongly suggests the world will be f*cked in a matter of decades." has itself been around for decades.

The date of the f*cking keeps being pushed back.

F*ck the timelines, the outcomes are the same.

Originally posted by SquallX
You do know the average family, with a 3 bedroom house, 2 cars and 2 kids carbon foot print is nothing to a rich individual right?

Matter of facts, it is the rich and powerful that lectures the middle and low class about doing our parts to help the environment, then turn around and get in their private jets, or go in their private mansions.

The rich need those private jets, to fly in those underage minor's, for their parties in their private mansions with other rich and powerful friends.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
F*ck the timelines, the outcomes are the same.

Timelines matter as that helps you prioritize where to allocate resources.

Originally posted by Astner
At the very least our deserts are greening from the all excess CO₂.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
The problem with that for large scale farming is water is a limiting factor and macro and micro-nutrients are higly limited. The envitomenet itself is hard to till and often shifting. A bit of a red herring tbh.

I hate to disagree but you're wrong in the most basic of ways.

Mormons went through this when they moved west due to persecutation. They had to turn desert into arable farmland. And they did.

And it is not something new to humans.

It is called "Desert Greening."

Here's a great start to see all the methods of desert greening:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_greening

The primary obstacle for desert greening is just water. Piping, distribution, reclamation, etc.

Also, "tilling" desert land that has been properly setup with a water system is no different than anywhere else. If our American ancestors could do it in the Appalachian Highlands where the ground was very rocky and it was cold, desert is a piece of cake with water.

Let me sum up: your entire point is wrong in every regard. Every last idea in your post is wrong...as long as you solve the water problem (which is extremely simple for major farming companies).

Edit - Astner is right, it's not even remotely close to a red herring, and global warming will be a net benefit to humans. Global pollution will not be, however.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I hate to disagree but you're wrong in the most basic of ways.

Mormons went through this when they moved west due to persecutation. They had to turn desert into arable farmland. And they did.

And it is not something new to humans.

It is called "Desert Greening."

Here's a great start to see all the methods of desert greening:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_greening

The primary obstacle for desert greening is just water. Piping, distribution, reclamation, etc.

Also, "tilling" desert land that has been properly setup with a water system is no different than anywhere else. If our American ancestors could do it in the Appalachian Highlands where the ground was very rocky and it was cold, desert is a piece of cake with water.

Let me sum up: your entire point is wrong in every regard. Every last idea in your post is wrong...as long as you solve the water problem (which is extremely simple for major farming companies).

Edit - Astner is right, it's not even remotely close to a red herring, and global warming will be a net benefit to humans. Global pollution will not be, however.

Originally posted by gold slorg
i mean, let's be honest - you don't get to become the speaker on the UN and political spokesperson at 16 just because you try hard; it's obvious she's connected to people who are connected to people etc.

using children for this kind of thing is just disgusting and wrong, and is used for populist emotion-inducing dramas. as somebody who's totally supporting the fight against climate destruction, i'm really sad an autistic child is used by my side

She's being funded by the liberal billionaire, George Soros. A Holocaust survivor who abandoned his Jewish religion and his people to be the Nazi's play thing.
His claim to fame is he "broke" the Bank of England, instantly making him a billionaire.

Yes I agree. It's disgusting to see the Democrats take advantage of an autistic child who suffers from Asperger's and ADHD, even to go as far as use her as a spokesperson for "global warming".
Climate change is real, but "global warming" is not. In fact, the icecaps in the North and South Poles as well as Antarctica are starting to thicken, outpacing its melting rate.

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PS: The Earth will heal itself. It has outlived many calamities and climate changes and tectonic shifting, etc. The Earth has lived for billions of years. Humans are nothing but microbes compared to the Earth. We will all die from climate change, or a meteor, or alien invasion. The Earth will remain the same for billions of years more.

This made me lol:

https://twitter.com/WholesomeOldOne/status/1178047738463870977

The hilarious thing about all silver linings is most countries in Africa for example are not industrialised enough to satisfactorily work the land they have.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This made me lol:

https://twitter.com/WholesomeOldOne/status/1178047738463870977

Especially these days...who comes to young people for "hope"? Weren't young people eating tide pods not too long ago?

Also her rants and accent make her come off like she's auditioning for the role of an eco-terrorist in a future Bond film.

She is barking mad tbh. She is like the Star Wars kids we had here on steroids, done nothing, been nowhere, know everything. Despite her message being something I agree with, she is a terrible spokesman and no one listens to her message the just see a kid ranting.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Going to disagree as someone who's lived in Royadh. Not all deserts are equal.

I agree with this statement but also to add global warming is nothing compared to our pollution problem. This is something I've stated in the past, ruining our water with pollution is the "planet killer." Global warming is just the chocolate poured over our shit sunday🙂

Originally posted by snowdragon
I agree with this statement but also to add global warming is nothing compared to our pollution problem. This is something I've stated in the past, ruining our water with pollution is the "planet killer." Global warming is just the chocolate poured over our shit sunday🙂

https://www.theonion.com/nation-perplexed-by-16-year-old-who-doesn-t-want-world-1838374925

Originally posted by BackFire
https://www.theonion.com/nation-perplexed-by-16-year-old-who-doesn-t-want-world-1838374925

We're more perplexed over a 16 yr. olds very public mental breakdown being used as propaganda by adults with fully developed brains.

Originally posted by Surtur
We're more perplexed over a 16 yr. olds very public mental breakdown being used as propaganda by adults with fully developed brains.