Originally posted by StoicWe can debate this until doomsday, if BA can solo jsa he CAN solo team Namor, who else on team Subby can mstch up with Firestorm, Alan and Powergirl????
You know Bruce. I know that you can come up with othe instances that has him operating above his weight class. How about the scene from Superman/Batman when they used a castling maneuver to defeat Shazam and Hawkman? I'm sure he has others. And I did see your point. My point is that BA isn't soloing this team.
Originally posted by StoicBuddy you don't even know where the LINE IS, Lol!!!!
Namor lost to Hyperion due to weakness exploitation. That's like me picking a scene where Wonder Woman gets shot by a bullet to convince people that she's weak, while ignoring her previous battle with Darkseid. You're way out of line.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're the one cheery picking. You will not admit that Namor and BA would be tied up in battle for a very long time. You're the one stating that BA would solo. Back up and read what you've wrote. You were wrong. Now you just need to admit it, or are you saying that BA would beat a team consisting of Namor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Hyperion, Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider because of his WW3 showing? Ahhh now you're getting it.
Originally posted by lawest9
We can debate this until doomsday, if BA can solo jsa he CAN solo team Namor, who else on team Subby can mstch up with Firestorm, Alan and Powergirl????
You call this a debate? I call it a culling. You aren't able to answer me so you regurgitate a poor showing in attempts to make BA something that he isn't.
Originally posted by Stoic
You know Bruce. I know that you can come up with othe instances that has him operating above his weight class. How about the scene from Superman/Batman when they used a castling maneuver to defeat Shazam and Hawkman? I'm sure he has others. And I did see your point. My point is that BA isn't soloing this team.
That was...A ruse to fool Luthor.....But OK.
Originally posted by lawest9
No but he'll beat a team consisting of Namor and two weakling cousins.
Namora is close to Namor's strength level. Once again, Namor alone is a solid Class 100 and has been forever. How much do you think the Hydrobase weighs? It's far more than what his handbook entry states. And, once again he fought evenly with Hyperion who was able to briefly resist the weight of two full sized Earth planets. So no, Hyperion may not be Superman but neither is Black Adam. Hyperion was there to kill Namor. He wasn't playing.
Originally posted by StoicWell I'll say this.........if BA is not Superman ( which probably no one is ) he is still much closer to him than Namor.
Namora is close to Namor's strength level. Once again, Namor alone is a solid Class 100 and has been forever. How much do you think the Hydrobase weighs? It' far more than what his handbook entry states. And, once again he fought evenly with Hyperion who was able to briefly resist resist the weight of two full sized Earth planets. So no, Hyperion may not be Superman but neither is Black Adam. Hyperion was there to kill Namor. He wasn't playing.
Originally posted by lawest9
Well I'll say this.........if BA is not Superman ( which probably no one is ) he is still much closer to him than Namor.
Baseless claim. Namor is on his level and I've provided you with enough proof to show that he is. He can now battle indefinitely out of water without losing power. That would be the same amount of power that he used to embarass the Avengers recently, and they fought him like they knew how to use their powers.
Originally posted by StoicIf you are talking about the battle with the Avengers that I believe you are, that battle takes place in water and he may have still have had some of his Phoenix power left, did he?........Namor himself told Thor that his new golden Hammer wasn't up to par ( and really Thor wasn't either ) I'm not trying to take anything away from Namor and I know that was a beast especially back in the day, so IF he is on BA's level currently it is only because he is amped beyond his usual levels while BA powered has always remained consistent.
Baseless claim. Namor is on his level and I've provided you with enough proof to show that he is. He can now battle indefinitely out of water without losing power. That would be the same amount of power that he used to embarass the Avengers recently, and they fought him like they knew how to use their powers.
Originally posted by lawest9
If you are talking about the battle with the Avengers that I believe you are, that battle takes place in water and he may have still have had some of his Phoenix power left, did he?........Namor himself told Thor that his new golden Hammer wasn't up to par ( and really Thor wasn't either ) I'm not trying to take anything away from Namor and I know that was a beast especially back in the day, so IF he is on BA's level currently it is only because he is amped beyond his usual levels while BA powered has always remained consistent.
It wouldn't have mattered if it was on land due to his hydrokenetic powers. He doesn't weaken on land over time any longer. Marvel finally fixed him without him being overly OP. He didn't have any residual Phoenix force power to my knowledge, nor was he amped. Thor also just finished KO'ing the Juggernaut with one of those hammers, albeit he went through several of them to finally get the job done. Namor pretty much performed like a Mid to High Herald against them.
Namor isn't amped, he simply doesn't weaken on land over time due to his hydrokenetic powers that he took from Hydroman.
Did you know that there is a possibility that BA may amp Namor with his electrical attacks? Namor can't contend with Firelord, or Firestorm, but BA is different. No weakness to exploit, and in all honesty, BA shouldn't be able to defeat Firestorm either.
But Firestorm was among those on the JSA team that BA bested, on paper Firestorm is a beast and deservingly so based on feats, but keep in mind that not everything plays out like it should on paper, look at various one on one sports and team sports as well, upsets happen all the time, as for Namor being super charged by BA's lightening????........possible and a fair assumption, but remember too that he can possibly OVER CHARGE Namor as well and defeat him that way, Right?
The title of this thread is about a team effort, and I'm you'd agree that team Adam wins here soloing or not, right?
Originally posted by lawest9
But Firestorm was among those on the JSA team that BA bested, on paper Firestorm is a beast and deservingly so based on feats, but keep in mind that not everything plays out like it should on paper, look at various one on one sports and team sports as well, upsets happen all the time, as for Namor being super charged by BA's lightening????........possible and a fair assumption, but remember too that he can possibly OVER CHARGE Namor as well and defeat him that way, Right?The title of this thread is about a team effort, and I'm you'd agree that team Adam wins here soloing or not, right?
You know that Firestorm subdued Orion right. I liked WW3 right up to when the hero's forgot that that had powers. Several of them could beat BA in forum matches. It's like back in the day when Marvel allowed for the FF without prep to beat Namor when he could've one shot Sue and systematically crushed the other 3.
I think Team Adam can win, but Adam isn't soloing. The other 2 would have to be difference makers. Namora isn't weak by any stretch, while Namorita is the weak link. I'm not familiar with Isis' best feats, and Osiris is a blank. Leading back to my very first question.