World Forger vs. Molecule Man

Originally posted by Galan007

Ran a sock check, and Killemall's IP matches yours, Mr M.

Explain yourself.

I could ask several cats to explain themselves,
but I don't care about debating separate personalities anymore.

Perhaps I made a sock acct to pat myself on the back ... ONCE!

Oh wait, he gave me props but all of kmc as well.

Also, this cat is from Comicvine apparently.
It's a real screen name, he's evidently well known over there.

Check out his debating style, nothing like mine.

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You should know weird shit has been happening in kmc's interface for a while,
posts disappearing without reason,
entire threads mysteriously going up in smoke,
accts getting locked.

I replied, and my post ended up in Killemall's screen name according to Saint,
I never saw this until Saint posted what seemed like a snapshot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DIESELDUDE IS ANOTHER SOCK!!!!!

OK I'm making that one up lol.

Originally posted by -K-M-
His post literally just disappeared. Galan?

*All edits we make to a thread automatically populate in the "Moderator Notes" section, as you can see with this thread:
https://i.imgur.com/zxOgNbC.jpg

Not sure what happened, but hopefully Diesel can repost. 👆

Well what about me?

There's another member with my ip you said. ... wtf is that?

Or are ya phukin with me G? 😠

PS: My post went into limbo as well btw.

Originally posted by Galan007
I didn't see his original post, but this thread hasn't been edited on our end at all:
https://i.imgur.com/ijFL5XM.jpg

*All edits we make to a thread automatically populate in the "Moderator Notes" section, as you can see with this thread:
https://i.imgur.com/zxOgNbC.jpg

Not sure what happened, but hopefully Diesel can repost. 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well what about me?

There's another member with my ip you said. ... wtf is that?

Or are ya phukin with me G? 😠

PS: My post went into limbo as well btw.

Surely you wouldn't have me think Killemall's post(the one DarkSaint screen-capped) + an IP address that matches yours is just some strange coincidence, right? I'm sure you can understand why that's... Pretty hard to believe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beats me. Let's ask Killemall.

I could ask several cats to explain themselves,
but I don't care about debating separate personalities anymore.

Perhaps I made a sock acct to pat myself on the back ... ONCE!

Oh wait, he gave me props but all of kmc as well.

Also, this cat is from Comicvine apparently.
It's a real screen name, he's evidently well known over there.

Check out his debating style, nothing like mine.

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You should know weird shit has been happening in kmc's interface for a while,
posts disappearing without reason,
entire threads mysteriously going up in smoke,
accts getting locked.

I replied, and my post ended up in Killemall's screen name according to Saint,
I never saw this until Saint posted what seemed like a snapshot.

So....You posted, but killemall (a guy who idolises you; fair enough) managed to get your post. A dude who's been round since 2013 but has 16posts to his name.

Then ..... killemall edited his post to say 'stalemate' (or was it you?) within like 2 minutes.

At this rate, I can't trust anything I read now. Maybe Carver's posts are actually Galan's.

Originally posted by Mr Master

PS: My post went into limbo as well btw.

What is that?
Like 3 or 4 times in the past few months?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe Carver's posts are actually Galan's.

No one's concerned Darksaint just happens to have screen caps?

Do you have a macro that auto screen caps everything, just in case? 🙂 (Not trying to derail, but I love coincidental setups like this. I mean, what are the odds anyone would suspect they'd be getting screencapped in a sock plot?)

For obvious reasons, I'm going to close this for now. I'll reopen once things get sorted...

Reopening.

Well I see Mr. Socker won't be joining us again until the new year. Justice is served lol.

That aside I still think WF has this in the bag. He is multiversal+++, while Owen isn't even universal. The outcome here is a complete no brainer.

😂

The irony at play here

just a quick outside of the box question

since franklin effectively created the marvel multiverse as we know, (with help) but since created the multiple universes would if he can still affect those universes then be multiversal?

Originally posted by LordGod
Actually, Owen just HELPED Franklin create the universes one at a time by anchoring the realities he came up with to reality- the scans were posted a few pages ago. So even calling him a full universal power is a stretch.

But I'm glad you now agree that current Owen isn't beyond universal. :-)

That "feat" is borderline unquantifiable when you examine the underlying context behind it.

Griever destroyed some universes that hadn't completely been anchored to the new multiverse they had built, and were therefore more fragile then the properly anchored realities.

This was explained on the following page, when Reed specifically traveled to reality 1,049. It was the universe "most anchored to the fabric of the multiverse" and therefore the most stable platform for their battle with Griever to take place in-
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvzr7566/0.jpg

That's why it didn't crumble like the others did.

Right. She's supposedly this multiversal force, but she cannot kill regular ol human beings because they're -too- basic for her to effect easily. Makes total sense, right?

.......what a powerhouse she is, lol.

Yes, Franklin's power was still above Surfer, Thor and Hulk. That means Griever needed at least trans-level power to beat him like that. Skyfather level power tops.

This kind of stuff doesn't help your case at all.

Again, it literally does not matter what Griever embodies- the feats she personally preformed are what we need to go by. And the FACT is that this "multiversal" being dared not attack until Franklin was depowered. This means she was very concerned about his UNIVERSAL power.

If she were actually touting multiversal power like you're saying, then a mere universal being like Franklin would be completely beneath her notice. The fact that she also required f*cking TECH to universe hop is just icing on the cake, because most -actual- multiversal powers can [obviously] do that on their own.

They're obviously referencing the NEW multiverse that THEY had just created- ergo "OUR multiverse". Why would they be talking about a previous multiverse that no longer exists?

Are you seriously trying to elevate Griever above the Beyonders now lol?

Like I said, this purple prose is meaningless, because Griever WAS stopped...by laughable means.

She is apparently the most pathetic "multiversal" being in Marvel lol.

I have to disagree with you. Griever is as powerful as the other side was saying so losing to her is no low showing.

It's possible that she was waiting for Franklin to finish creating uuniverses before she acted because she wanted the maximum number of universes to destroy so she waited until Franklin was done creating them. After he was done, she acted because he had served her purpose.

Here is why I think WF is beyond MM and Franklin combine.

1- Griever can destroy them because she's really powerful and what does she do, destroy universes and I think She had the power to destroy MM AND Franklin like Mr. Master was saying.

2- WF had his own Griever(barbatos). He can destroy universes and unlike the Griever he doesn't need a ship to travel between universes. So barbatos is actually more powerful than Griever, serves similar purpose but without the limitations. And We saw how WF in the 6th dimension treats him.

WF treats a being (that is similar and possibly more powerful than the Griever that slayed MM and would have killed Franklin) like a rodent he's about feed his pet snake.

With all the power that MM and Franklin had, they used it up creating universes for less than a decade but the WF has been doing the exact same thing since the beginning of time and he's still full powered. The power he has has not run out and probably never run out. This means he has more power to work with than MM and a Franklin ever did.

This is why I'm taking WF in this match.

Originally posted by staxamillion
just a quick outside of the box question

since franklin effectively created the marvel multiverse as we know, (with help) but since created the multiple universes would if he can still affect those universes then be multiversal?

oh maybe he doesn't have power over the other universes anymore then?

Hard one.. probably WF but Classic MM will probably win

MM was reconned so even classic would not beat him.