World Forger vs. Molecule Man

Started by Mr Master8 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend

Franklin would outlive the death of the universe schmuck. Read again.

I did troll, and you're right. Unlike you I own up when I make an error.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Also lol at sidestepping the issue that Griever only attacked when Franklin was depowered.

I know, lol, she one-shot universal reality warper Owen Reece, but needed Franky depowered. 🤨
Originally posted by LordGod

No she's not.

Griever being an aspect of entropy


Scans?
Originally posted by LordGod

because she was NOT a multiversal being.

A multiversal being would NOT be so concerned about Franklin's UNIVERSAL power

that they dare not confront him directly until his power is burned out.....

And Griever specifically waited for Franklin to become depowered before she acted.


"burned out?" ... he was de-powered but his powers were still "off the charts" ...

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Griever one-shot this Owen Reece, an at-least UNIVERSAL REALITY WARPING power.

"Owen ... you've had your fun ... reshaping reality."

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Guess her "fear" is selective lol.

Neeeext!

Originally posted by LordGod

Griever was SO pathetic


Ya, Griever was "SO pathetic" she was erasing entire universeS on the fly:

Originally posted by LordGod

she couldn't even beat "simple life forms", like the Fantastic Four-
that's why they and the other heroes were able to fight against her so well.

This was specifically noted by Reed.


Oh, you mean when Reed told us they were SOOO beneath her it was difficult for her to attack them?

She's accustomed to erasing entire universeS. Damn, give the girl a break, lol.

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As for the "simple life forms" ... she was holding back and enjoying their slow demise.

Franklin, who's power was still "off the charts" ... let off his full power and ...

STOMPED with a flick of her finger ... LOL!

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AND .... Griever was holding back:

"I was too easy on your firstborn the last time."

Originally posted by LordGod

She also was confined to a single universe and needed a goddamn space ship
and Reed's teleporter to get into other universes FFS.


👆 ... I completely agree here. That was not well thought out. Real dumb.

note: The teleporter was her own. And yes, still, she shouldn't need that. Senseless.

Originally posted by LordGod

The concept of entropy might end up being multiversal,
but GRIEVER herself most certainly was not. Not in THIS story at least.


There's no evidence to suggest she isn't.
Originally posted by LordGod

I like how this guy is so arrogant
that he acts like he's the only person capable of reading a story
and comprehending the truth.


Poppycock of the highest order.

You stick to debating and leave the trolling to the other two.

Originally posted by LordGod

He's going to pretend like Griever is multiversal
because entropy ends up being the force that kills the multiverse billions of years in the future,

for the same reason he pretended like Owen gets the feats of the Beyonders
just because he absorbed their powers. lol.

Illogical feat sharing is only permitted when it helps the Marvel side win I guess.


Utter gibberish.

Please, we prefer your clueless opinions rather than unprovoked trolling.

Griever, is .. the "embodiment" ... ("specifically noted by Reed"😉

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.... of "Entropy" ...

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.... and "Destruction" ...

Sue: "Reed's right, our Multiverse has never faced a greater threat"

Spidey: "Than what, exactly?"

Sue: "Than Her. the Griever."

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Wow! ... the Multiverse's greatest threat! ("specifically noted by Reed"😉

This is after the Mad Celestials, Incursions, God Doom and the BeyonderS. 👆

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The living embodiment of ENTROPY and DESTRUCTION!

... no different than "Eternity, Infinity," or as ("specifically noted by Reed"😉

"I acknowledge that these GODLIKE beings exist,,

and I believe this Griever is one of them."

"I accept what she is ... unstoppable" ...

....but didn't they then stop her?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I did troll, and you're right. Unlike you I own up when I make an error.

Well if you did, it would be accepting errors in every post.

I know, lol, she one-shot universal reality warper Owen Reece, but needed Franky depowered. 🤨

I know right. Concession accepted.

WF is KOed by less.

Been Koed by Superman never is a low showing

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

....but didn't they then stop her?

Not directly.

Reed, as always, found a cheese loophole in the character's built in CIS.

She can't dimension hop without tech. 🤨

So basically, Reed and team destroyed her dimension hopping tech,
which then forced her to not destroy them and the universe they were in,
because she would've remained stranded in that void.

So, behind her back during the commotion, they acquired a single dimension hopping cruiser,
and gave her the cruiser go she can boat out of there.

Supreme absurdity I must say.

Slott (writer) had no way to defeat her, so he was forced to make up some real dumb shit.

That's ultra PIS for ya my friend.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Well if you did, it would be accepting errors in every post.

And right back to the trolling.
Originally posted by abhilegend

I know right. Concession accepted.

Are you agreeing with the voices in your head again? ermmhappy

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Stuff like creating universes often implies a lot of direct combat ability. It's *somewhat* circumstantial, sometimes someone can make a universe but that's it, they're, say, using a cosmic forge or such while being personally weak, but if you can wave your hand and make a universe, you can wave your hand and make an energy bolt, black hole, or whatever, so most high creator types can be assumed to be pretty much beyond anyone else who can't create/destroy universes.
😂 lowballing the the WF i see.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[b]Griever one-shot this Owen Reece, an at-least UNIVERSAL REALITY WARPING power.

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Actually, Owen just HELPED Franklin create the universes one at a time by anchoring the realities he came up with to reality- the scans were posted a few pages ago. So even calling him a full universal power is a stretch.

But I'm glad you now agree that current Owen isn't beyond universal. :-)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ya, Griever was "SO pathetic" [b]she was erasing entire universeS on the fly:

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That "feat" is borderline unquantifiable when you examine the underlying context behind it.

Griever destroyed some universes that hadn't completely been anchored to the new multiverse they had built, and were therefore more fragile then the properly anchored realities.

This was explained on the following page, when Reed specifically traveled to reality 1,049. It was the universe "most anchored to the fabric of the multiverse" and therefore the most stable platform for their battle with Griever to take place in-
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvzr7566/0.jpg

That's why it didn't crumble like the others did.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh, you mean when Reed told us they were SOOO beneath her it was difficult for her to attack them?

She's accustomed to erasing entire universeS. Damn, give the girl a break, lol.

Right. She's supposedly this multiversal force, but she cannot kill regular ol human beings because they're -too- basic for her to effect easily. Makes total sense, right?

.......what a powerhouse she is, lol.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Franklin, who's power was still "off the charts" ... [b]let off his full power and ...

STOMPED with a flick of her finger ... LOL!

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AND .... Griever was holding back:

"I was too easy on your firstborn the last time."[/B]

Yes, Franklin's power was still above Surfer, Thor and Hulk. That means Griever needed at least trans-level power to beat him like that. Skyfather level power tops.

This kind of stuff doesn't help your case at all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Utter gibberish.

Please, we prefer your clueless opinions rather than unprovoked trolling.

Griever, is .. the "[b]embodiment" ... ("specifically noted by Reed"😉

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.... of "Entropy" ...

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Again, it literally does not matter what Griever embodies- the feats she personally preformed are what we need to go by. And the FACT is that this "multiversal" being dared not attack until Franklin was depowered. This means she was very concerned about his UNIVERSAL power.

If she were actually touting multiversal power like you're saying, then a mere universal being like Franklin would be completely beneath her notice. The fact that she also required f*cking TECH to universe hop is just icing on the cake, because most -actual- multiversal powers can [obviously] do that on their own.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Sue: "Reed's right, [b]our Multiverse has never faced a greater threat"

Spidey: "Than what, exactly?"

Sue: "Than Her. the Griever."

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Wow! ... the Multiverse's greatest threat! ("specifically noted by Reed"😉

This is after the Mad Celestials, Incursions, God Doom and the BeyonderS. [/B]

They're obviously referencing the NEW multiverse that THEY had just created- ergo "OUR multiverse". Why would they be talking about a previous multiverse that no longer exists?

Are you seriously trying to elevate Griever above the Beyonders now lol?

Originally posted by Mr Master
The [b]living embodiment of ENTROPY and DESTRUCTION!

... no different than "Eternity, Infinity," or as ("specifically noted by Reed"😉

"I acknowledge that these GODLIKE beings exist,,

and I believe this Griever is one of them."

"I accept what she is ... unstoppable" ... [/B]

Like I said, this purple prose is meaningless, because Griever WAS stopped...by laughable means.

She is apparently the most pathetic "multiversal" being in Marvel lol.

WF is stopped by a punch to the face.

Mr. Master, what's your interpretation of the Superman Punch?

So we can get a baseline of how much force it took to knock WF down. Can you see just about any abstract being knocked down from it? Are there abstracts who would simply ignore its effects?

And most importantly, is MM one of them?

stalemate

......did MrMaster create an alt account? Below is the post before it was edited to say 'Stalemate'.....

Nah sorry, prob a red herring.

Originally posted by Killemall

@Smoki. I'm from Comicvine and I'm well known with this same name. I can vouch for Mr M's fame at my site.

Originally posted by Killemall
It feels good to be here. I have been following your work for a long time mrmaster and you are a legend on a site I am a member of called comicvine. We have had many impostors on our site copying your posts in this site and using it as their argument on our site. There is even a mrmaster in our site with your same logo but I am not sure if that is you but the way he debates is the same so I reply as if it is. We say this comic book forum is the best on the net with some of the most knowledgeable debaters and I think I am ready to talk comics with the big boys lol.

Killemall

They're different people 👆

On a separate note, have you guys ever found it funny you never see Batman and Bruce Wayne together?

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i'm so confused

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
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i'm so confused

About comics, life in general or....?

What does my personal life have to do with this? lol

and confused about that killemal bit

But glad you edited it. You accuse too much tbh

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What does my personal life have to do with this? lol

Well you generally seem confused about a lot of things...

Originally, killemall made a post which sounded a lot like Mr Master.

HOWEVER, they can't be the same person, because killemall talks about MrMaster as a different person.