Is Speed Steal an NLF?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Jay only has an issue because he just recently learned the ability. Kay then went on to casually Speed Steal from Black Adam without even touching him.

And the only reason Zoom was immune to Speed Steal is because he can Speed himself up via time hax.

The exact reason Zoom's immune is ambiguous. It SHOULDN'T be ambiguous being it was spelled out plainly as him not being connected to the speed force but from what I understand that contradicts other instances of Flash speed stealing(likely your instance of him draining everyone on Earth was one of their reasons) so all we know is that it has something to do with his time abilities. Just so there's no confusion let me be clear and say that I'm not saying that any specific limits should be placed on Wally's ability. I think that kind of thing should probably be dealt with on a case by case basis for the most part. I'm just saying that I don't think he should be given a blanket pass for it being a guarantee no matter how powerful the opponent.

NLF?

No Lose something?

↑Same question, What is NLF?↑

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The speed steal is due to Wally's command of the Speed Force.

Which is infinite.

And as we saw recently, when the SF gets messed with, even the New Gods take note.

So yeah, I'd say it would work on them.

But would it work on Aquarian? 🙂

Originally posted by -Pr-
NLF?

No Lose something?

No Limits Fallacy

Originally posted by Supermutant
No Limits Fallacy

Oh, right. Thanks.

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To answer the thread starter then, no, I don't think it is. There are always going to be characters that have an innate resistance to that kind of thing.

problem is we haven't seen one resist it to full effect yet tbh

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
problem is we haven't seen one resist it to full effect yet tbh

True, but the point is to prove that it will work, not that it won't.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Jay once had an issue stealing Supes's speed too, something about taking that much energy at once possibly damaging the planet or something else weird like that. I know that Wally exceeds Jay in both power and skill so there's no direct parallel there, but it at the very least indicates that there's a lot going on when speed stealing is involved so it's probably not a good thing to assume it's without it's share of limits.

But Jay is also a different entity with very different personal limitations. His heart condidtion for example prevents him from going super luminal for nore than a brief period. Getting his heart rate up to a certain level would cause another heart attack.

Black Adam is slower than Supes, being able to steal his speed without issue isn't indicative of the ability to steal Supes's without issue.

Which simply means stealing his speed doesnt pose as great a medical risk. Even in stealing BA's speed to time jump Jay first went and said goodbye to Joan before attempting it. He literally expected doing so to kill him. He also only just exceeded LS long enough to time jump even with that speed steal (where with Supes he was trying to prevent him from catching wally and making himself able to)

During the period he was training Bart he would steal speed and lend it to Bart so as to not put his own health at risk. In fact he used Sleed lend a lot more than steal for that reason.

So with Jay he has to be more cautious in the amount of speed and how quickly he steals it.

The exact reason Zoom's immune is ambiguous

There in lies the limit. Speed steal really shouldnt be enough against anyone who has some degree of power over time.

The likes of Kang, Time Trapper, Waverider, Chronos. Any mage who has demonstrated abilities over time (Dr Strange/Fate, Arion, Tempest, Faust etc) has a work around. Just as any celestial being who has demonstrated the same has (Galactus, anyone with time stone, celestials, some high end new gods), or any scientist who has developed tech to play with time (Brainiacs {1/2/5}, Ultra-Humanite, Dr Doom, Per Degaton)