Originally posted by Patient_Leech
That's basically how I feel, except they've also made some utter shit, like Captain Marvel. Of course, no one except quanch gives them creepy loyalty. lol
Captain Marvel has grown on me after repeated viewings, but still yeah it's not up to the caliber of most marvel films.
I'm just saying it's idiotic to write off such an accomplished filmmaker's opinion as just a "whiny bi#ch of an old man" (in your beautifully eloquent words). Obviously he cares about the integrity of film as an artform and not just a themepark machine for sucking money out of teens and fanboys. He probably would have felt the same way in his 30s, so being in his 70s likely has nothing to do with it. I think he could have qualified his statement a little bit more (for example it's obviously still cinema, just kitsch), but it is just a short blurb.So yeah, you don't have to agree with him, but he has a point. A very good point.
If he cares about the integrity of film as an artform I'm not sure why he hasn't made similar comments about rom coms. Or hell most comedies in general wouldn't uphold the integrity of film as an art form. And forget marvel for a second, his logic would apply to all movies that are just mindless action movies. Hope you aren't a fan of the Fast and Furious franchise.
And I disagree I don't think he has a point. A shitty movie or a hugely successful movie that is good but lacks depth do not somehow take away from films with "integrity". What about some of his films? Is a cliche mob movie like "The Departed" a movie with integrity? Don't get me wrong, I like the film, but it's not like it brings anything new to the genre. And likewise I feel the upcoming "The Irishman" will be good, but I also am not expecting anything new to be brought to the genre.
Originally posted by Surtur
If he cares about the integrity of film as an artform I'm not sure why he hasn't made similar comments about rom coms. Or hell most comedies in general wouldn't uphold the integrity of film as an art form.
Romance, drama, comedy, etc... all fundamentally based on real-world human experience and emotion.
Nice try, though.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Romance, drama, comedy, etc... all fundamentally based on real-world human experience and emotion.Nice try, though.
So Eurotrip has integrity, but Avengers Infinity War does not?
EDIT: Also are you saying a movie must have real world human experience and emotion for it to have integrity?
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
You just like to argue, Surt. Of course you can quibble over specific films.But the point (that you seem to be missing) is that Avengers is a theme park ride not based in reality and comedy/romance, etc is based in reality.
That's his point, and it's a good one. I'm sorry it goes over your head.
I'm not missing his point I just disagree.
Francis Ford Coppola joins the fight hahaha
https://news.yahoo.com/coppola-backs-scorsese-row-over-marvel-films-173112180.html
"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."
Originally posted by Drsoe08
Francis Ford Coppola joins the fight hahahahttps://news.yahoo.com/coppola-backs-scorsese-row-over-marvel-films-173112180.html
"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."
So what Coppola is saying we're not aloud to have some fun when we go to the movies, Always has be some educational experience.
Originally posted by Drsoe08
Francis Ford Coppola joins the fight hahahahttps://news.yahoo.com/coppola-backs-scorsese-row-over-marvel-films-173112180.html
"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."
Pot. Kettle. Black.