Martin Scorsese Slams Marvel

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“Many of our grandfathers thought all gangster movies were the same, often calling them ‘despicable,'” he wrote. “Some of our great grandfathers thought the same of westerns, and believed the films of John Ford, Sam Peckinpah, and Sergio Leone were all exactly the same. I remember a great uncle to whom I was raving about Star Wars. He responded by saying, ‘I saw that when it was called 2001, and, boy, was it boring!’ Superheroes are simply today’s gangsters/cowboys/outer space adventurers. Some superhero films are awful, some are beautiful. Like westerns and gangster movies (and before that, just MOVIES), not everyone will be able to appreciate them, even some geniuses. And that’s okay.”

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pretty sure scorcese wasn't trying to convince people to not enjoy their popcorn action flicks, but was just calling it out for what it is. I for one can take his meaning and still enjoy mcu movies

And people are calling out his comments for what they are as well.

And didn't you just make a comment about strawmanning earlier? Nobody said they couldn't enjoy these films anymore because of this.

Just like I was still able to enjoy gangster films even after watching Godfather 3.

Originally posted by playa1258
The fanatical fanbase of the MCU is now becoming an easy target.

Bingo.

I didn't fully agree with Scorsese's point about being/not being cinema, but I'm not bothered by what he said, just his opinion. [Some] people need to chill, Scorsese didn't rape anyone with his words, so stop acting that way.

You're flailing.

Originally posted by Surtur
You're flailing.

Was that directed at me?

If so: Huh?

I didn't see you bingo a comment that was incorrect? My bad, must have been another poster with a similar avatar.

Originally posted by Surtur
I didn't see you bingo a comment that was incorrect? My bad, must have been another poster with a similar avatar.

Oh, you got trig'd because I agreed with another poster's correct assessment. Par for the course. Meh.

You're flailing again.

And we have another one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ken-loach-marvel-superhero-films-boring-and-nothing-to-do-with-art-of-cinema-11841486

Keep up the bitching everyone. Its just getting these guys more and more support.

The funny thing is people actually being surprised and rooting for one side or the other like this is some huge thing that is shaking up the industry lol.
This has literally happened every decade/eras in cinema.
The difference is now we have the internet and social media to get their word out to everyone and shills from both camps blowing it out of proportion.

Old time directors used to shit on Speilberg and his movies the same way all these current old timers are doing so.
Every generation has these over hill directors that dont want to get with the times and want to do things the old way and will never accept anything else.

Especially if they cant get their current movie wide released other than to a streaming service. Of coarse they will be salty and try to look for whatever is popular to blame for their issues their movies are having.

Movies, Art, Music, ect is subjective and their isnt only just one way to do them.
If that were the case then all movies would be gangster flicks starting Deniro. Not that anything is wrong with those movies.

Again, nothing New here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And we have another one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ken-loach-marvel-superhero-films-boring-and-nothing-to-do-with-art-of-cinema-11841486

Keep up the bitching everyone. Its just getting these guys more and more support.

Okay now it's starting to sound like butthurt over not being as popular.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And we have another one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ken-loach-marvel-superhero-films-boring-and-nothing-to-do-with-art-of-cinema-11841486

Keep up the bitching everyone. Its just getting these guys more and more support.

Don't even know who that is so the joke's on him!

Their salt level is over 9,000.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And we have another one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ken-loach-marvel-superhero-films-boring-and-nothing-to-do-with-art-of-cinema-11841486

Keep up the bitching everyone. Its just getting these guys more and more support.

A literal who.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And we have another one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ken-loach-marvel-superhero-films-boring-and-nothing-to-do-with-art-of-cinema-11841486

Keep up the bitching everyone. Its just getting these guys more and more support.

"Keep up the bitching everyone"-Guy who just linked to story about old man bitching

Originally posted by Silent Master
Their salt level is over 9,000.

I think I'm sensing a pattern from these salty folk: we are seeing movie virtue signaling. Directors wanting to show us all they care about "real" cinema, not this "crap" that is more popular(for the moment) and making more money than a lot of their own films. Now we see people most have never heard of trying to get in on it. Well the guy is british so maybe he's the Spielberg of the brits and they all know his name.

Which is another way of saying they'd prefer these movies to fail. After all, the problem isn't the mere existence of these films. Martin Scorcese never felt the need to opine about that shitty Fantastic Four film from the 90's. The problem is the popularity. And film directors hoping the movies of other directors fail cuz they don't like the genre sounds quite bitter.

Opinions ladies and gents, opinions. We are all allowed to have them.

I agree that superheroe’s film are now a dime and dozen, and indeed they are like a ride at an amusement park, but there are strong emotions in certain parts. I never felt any emotions watching the new films either from Dc/Marvel, but I did get emotional watching Reeves Superman heartfelt roar/scream when he picked up Lois’s dead body.

I did get teary when Clark said goodbye to Lois between he flew into that head on collision with Doomsday.

Or in the animated series when Clark went psycho when Darkseid killed Turpin right before his eyes, and there was nothing he could have done to stop it.

Originally posted by SquallX
Opinions ladies and gents, opinions. We are all allowed to have them.

I agree that superheroe’s film are now a dime and dozen, and indeed they are like a ride at an amusement park, but there are strong emotions in certain parts. I never felt any emotions watching the new films either from Dc/Marvel, but I did get emotional watching Reeves Superman heartfelt roar/scream when he picked up Lois’s dead body.

I did get teary when Clark said goodbye to Lois between he flew into that head on collision with Doomsday.

Or in the animated series when Clark went psycho when Darkseid killed Turpin right before his eyes, and there was nothing he could have done to stop it.

It's hard not to feel any emotion when Iron Man dies. You feel the agony of the various characters over Black Widow dying.

It was kinda sad back in Avengers 2 with Black Widow essentially begging Hulk to come back to her.

And laughing at something a character says or does is an emotional response too(perhaps not always a strong one). There are *plenty* of funny moments in the Marvel movies. Especially Thor Ragnarok.

So idk, they aren't the deepest films, but I dunno...how does one even enjoy a film that did not illicit any kind of emotional response? Even if that response is "that was funny" or "that was a wild ride" ?

Originally posted by Surtur
It's hard not to feel any emotion when Iron Man dies. You feel the agony of the various characters over Black Widow dying.

It was kinda sad back in Avengers 2 with Black Widow essentially begging Hulk to come back to her.

And laughing at something a character says or does is an emotional response too(perhaps not always a strong one). There are *plenty* of funny moments in the Marvel movies. Especially Thor Ragnarok.

So idk, they aren't the deepest films, but I dunno...how does one even enjoy a film that did not illicit any kind of emotional response? Even if that response is "that was funny" or "that was a wild ride" ?

I honestly felt nothing like that. When Tony died, I was like huh he’s dead.

I felt nothing for Widow because I thought throughout the franchise, her and Hawkeye were useless characters that were just put there to be there.

Let’s be honest, you remove those 2 from the franchise, nothing changes.