Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The DCU has as a subset, the Vertigo verse.Which includes the Unwritten verse.
Which includes ALL of fiction. Moby Dick, Marvel, 1001 nights, the Bible, Frankenstein etc....
The Leviathan of stories is absolutely insane, infinite hierarchy of stories where each transcend the last to infinite degree, each plane of existence view previous layer as mere fiction
also DC has final heaven, place outside of stories where dc employees and writers retcon corporation exists, where hyperstories and hyper-realities are created, omnipotent box etc
there's also oversphere
dc has so many wacky concepts that go absolutely insane
Who shaped The Presence?:
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Originally posted by TheHulkster
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He's referring to them being fictional entities.
Now, unless we're going to say that TOAA is NON fictional.......
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's referring to them being fictional entities.Now, unless we're going to say that TOAA is NON fictional.......
Is he not?
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Originally posted by TheHulkster
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You tell me.
If you think he genuinely exists in our world, in reality, and you honestly believe that, then good on you.
I personally don't think he does, but then I'm not religious.
Originally posted by TheHulksterWriter avatars like Morrison in DC and Kirby in Marvel are holistically different from the Presence and TOAA, imo.
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The former make the actual comic book and all content within it(in a very real/literal sense), while the latter are still part of the story created for them by the RW writers -- they are still fictional cogs in the machine, as it were. It comes down to metafiction vs. normal fiction here.
I was speaking of Jack Kirby, who existed at one time.
Anyhow, I think nowadays, as opposed to the past, DC fans cite Virtigo when referencing DC cosmology. In the past, readers compared apples to apples and stuck with what was common to the mainstream universes. Marvel rarely writes Christian characters into it's books and doesn't have a separate imprint dedicate to conceptuals, Archangels, God, etc.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I was speaking of Jack Kirby, who existed at one time.Anyhow, I think nowadays, as opposed to the past, DC fans cite Virtigo when referencing DC cosmology. In the past, readers compared apples to apples and stuck with what was common to the mainstream universes. Marvel rarely writes Christian characters into it's books and doesn't have a separate imprint dedicate to conceptuals, Archangels, God, etc.
And who died in 1994, without even owning all of the output he wrote.
So hardly the all powerful being that is the TOAA.
Besides, as Galan said, writer avatars and all that.
Ten years ago, it was commonly said that Marvel is more cosmic based and DC is more religious based. When comparing cosmic, Christian based beings were not being counted.
Marvel has an Archangel Michael that was only shown for the first time last year. He is presented very similar to DC's but we know very little about him.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
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Based on the Infinity Ending, The Presence stomps TOAA, given the former is the omnipotent master and judge of infinite multiverses (DC being just one) while the latter is bound by the stability of a single multiverse as dictated by the cosmic regulators. I wager Perpetua at this point could solo Marvel based on the most recent JL comic.
Originally posted by TheHulksterThe answer is in your username.
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Originally posted by Enzeru
Everything Jim Starlin wrote after Infinity Gauntlet has been non-canon.
Anyway, non-canon in Marvel simply means that the events of the story took place in a universe other than the 616. Marvel have gone to great lengths to catalog non-canon stories and designate them with a unique number.
But multiversal entities like the Living Tribunal and the One Above All are the same beings for all the universes.
Everything Starlin has written for Marvel since the original IG saga is canon, afaik.
-"Infinity War", "Infinity Crusade", and "Infinity Abyss" are all canon (obviously.)
-"Marvel: The End"(2003) is canon (referenced in outside canon material.)
-The "Thanos" maxiseries(2003-2004) is canon (referenced in outside canon material.)
-The "Thanos Annual"(2014) is canon (references past canon events and paves the way for the first Infinity Trilogy.)
-The first Infinity Trilogy(2014-2016) is canon (it directly references the events of Hickman Wars.)
-The second Infinity Trilogy(2018-2019) is canon (it simply builds upon the first Trilogy, which is canon.)
But like Astner said: even IF the Infinity Trilogies weren't directly canon to 616, they still take place within the Marvel multiverse, and still involve TOAA... And since there is only one TOAA in Marvel(duh), ALL showings are canon for him regardless.