Captain Marvel vs. Justice League

Originally posted by h1a8
It's you who are making the choices for Thor, choices that Thor never made in films under these circumstances. Thanos beat the shit out of Thor and was about to put him down permanently. Where was the cloak? If you say PIS then I'll accept that.

You are saying that this version of Thor will cloak up the moment the bell rings is basically saying we are using fan controlled characters (which I am fine with).

We CAN DICTATE WHAT A CHARACTER CANT DO BACKED BY SHOWINGS. That is what I did. Unless you want to argue fan controlled characters then I certainly can go that route.

If you continue to argue lightning cloak for this version of Thor then I'm going to assume fan controlled characters and argue accordingly.

Thor used his lightning cloak in the middle of a fight. There's no reason to think he doesn't have that option if he needs it again. Did he use it all the time? No, but then Superman also doesn't use his superspeed all the time. You don't see me arguing that that means Superman can't/won't use his superspeed.

Bottomline here is, you're making a dumb argument based on the fact that you have no logical argument against Thor's lightning cloak.

Originally posted by Psychotron
First of all, a cold star produces nothing, so that's objectively wrong. Second Superman wasn't dead. He was injured and healed by the Sun much like Thor was healed by Stormbreaker. If all it took to resurrect Superman was some sunlight they wouldn't have needed to use a motherbox in JL. Think before you post.

It doesn't matter. Even a small black hole would consume the Earth. Their gravity is equally inescapable in real life once you pass the event horizon.

Hulk was not depowered when he jobbed to those people, or when he was getting crushed by the Avengers building, while Superman was depowered by Kryptonite when he fought Batman. This is the same argument Quan made, and yet, you accuse me of debating like him? Ironic.

Take your own advice.

Except this fly is much stronger than the human in your analogy by feats. Moving tectonic plates > anything Thanos or Carol have ever done. Also, it can fly faster than the human can perceive. The only thing getting smashed right now is your argument.

Also, who said that the star was cold? The star was cold at the beginning of the scene, but was light up later. So, I think your concept here is wrong.

Either way, the movie made it clear that it was a Neutron Star, one way or another, the feat is far superior to any of Superman. Stop lowballing.

Lol, doesn't mean they are the same in terms of power. Small holes are just as anything, the bigger the more powerful they are!

Hulk had just withstand the power of a Universal weapon when he held the Av. Builiding. The IG>>>> Kryptonite.

The tectonic plate feat has already been ruled out by Imp. Sorry boy.

Originally posted by h1a8
As far as explosive yield? Maybe.

But what does that have to do with speed?
What we see >>>>> what you want to be

It's a ballistic missile isn't it? It should fly just as fast as Earthly ones do, or even faster considering that it comes from a way more advance alien race!

Logic>>>>>>Superman fanboys.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Also, who said that the star was cold? The star was cold at the beginning of the scene, but was light up later. So, I think your concept here is wrong.

Either way, the movie made it clear that it was a Neutron Star, one way or another, the feat is far superior to any of Superman. Stop lowballing.

Lol, doesn't mean they are the same in terms of power. Small holes are just as anything, the bigger the more powerful they are!

Hulk had just withstand the power of a Universal weapon when he held the Av. Builiding. The IG>>>> Kryptonite.

The tectonic plate feat has already been ruled out by Imp. Sorry boy.

It was just a heat resistance feat. Impressive yes.
Since when do you abide by mod rulings? I think you are being a hypocrite here.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It's a ballistic missile isn't it? It should fly just as fast as Earthly ones do, or even faster considering that it comes from a way more advance alien race!

Logic>>>>>>Superman fanboys.

Also, should and Did are two different things. We go by what was shown. Not what WWE BELIEVE was supposed to be. The distance between the missile and CM closed at a significant amount of time.

Originally posted by h1a8
Should is an opinion.

Also, should and Did are two different things. We go by what was shown. Not what WWE BELIEVE was supposed to be. The distance between the missile and CM closed at a significant amount of time.

No, it's logic.

Unless you can prove that what we saw on screen (basically a ballistic missile) travels slower than one, logic is on my side whilst opinion is on yours.

Logic》opinion.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, it's logic.

Unless you can prove that what we saw on screen (basically a ballistic missile) travels slower than one, logic is on my side whilst opinion is on yours.

Logic》opinion.

The missile was SHOWN traveling slower than what you are claiming.

What's shown >>>>>what you are claiming.

Originally posted by h1a8
The missile was SHOWN traveling slower than what you are claiming.

What's shown >>>>>what you are claiming.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Prove it.

CM was flying forward in the following scene.
check 0:21 to 0:24

At 0:21 you see her and the missile less than a couple of miles away (from the size of her and the missile). It took 3 seconds to close the distance.
Distance = (her speed + missile's speed) x time. And she was moving somewhat faster than the missile.

Couple things
-Captain marvel has 0 superspeed reflex.
-Captain Marvel has never defeated any noteworthy opponent.
-Her punches did even bother Thanos.

Thor is by far and away more powerful than CM. Why is she being discussed as if she's the heavy hitter on her team?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The IG>>>> Kryptonite.

Lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
CM was flying forward in the following scene.
check 0:21 to 0:24

At 0:21 you see her and the missile less than a couple of miles away (from the size of her and the missile). It took 3 seconds to close the distance.
Distance = (her speed + missile's speed) x time. And she was moving somewhat faster than the missile.

A couple of miles away!? LMFAO! Your ignorance regarding time-space is amazing!

Prove that they were "a couple of miles away". Because you are just guessing boy! Is like a kid saying that the moon is a couple of miles away from a star! You are not taking altitude and perspective into consideration.

So, you based your entire scenario on your opinion! Great! Logic>>>>Your opinion!

Kree missile>>>>>Earthly missile which travel at mach 20.

You are done here h1.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A couple of miles away!? LMFAO! Your ignorance regarding time-space is amazing!

Prove that they were "a couple of miles away". Because you are just guessing boy! Is like a kid saying that the moon is a couple of miles away from a star! You are not taking altitude and perspective into consideration.

So, you based your entire scenario on your opinion! Great! Logic>>>>Your opinion!

Kree missile>>>>>Earthly missile which travel at mach 20.

You are done here h1.

I didn't say they were a couple of miles away. I said no more than that. In reality they were LESS THAN 1 MILE Apart. Just look at the size of them with their distance from each other.

This might be a bit less ambiguous to look at. Because we get the upper atmosphere reference, and she travels to Thanos' ship, which is fairly close to the planet's surface. And there isn't a bunch of jumping around that might indicate a time lapse or anything along those lines.

YouTube video

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say they were a couple of miles away. I said no more than that. In reality they were LESS THAN 1 MILE Apart. Just look at the size of them with their distance from each other.

Lol! You do realize that using their size is irrelevant right? Because the movie obviously wants people to see both the missile and Carol, and don't really care about size?

In other words, the scene isn't accurate nor is your estimation.

Logic》》》》》complicated guesses.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one. The Kree missile travels just as fast or faster than mach 20.

Just give up.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol! You do realize that using their size is irrelevant right? Because the movie obviously wants people to see both the missile and Carol, and don't really care about size?

In other words, the scene isn't accurate nor is your estimation.

Logic》》》》》complicated guesses.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one. The Kree missile travels just as fast or faster than mach 20.

Just give up.

Here's irrefutable logic:
The scene where she first makes contact with the missile shows that her relative speed to the missile was very small. The scene starts at the end of 0:24 and goes into the beginning of 0:25 (about 0.1-0.2 seconds elapsed). If you pause it just right then you would see her a few feet away from the missile before making contact. We can literally see her motion towards the missile from a few feet away from it. To be specific, It takes her somewhere about 0.1-0.2 seconds to make contact with the missile from a few feet back.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This might be a bit less ambiguous to look at. Because we get the upper atmosphere reference, and she travels to Thanos' ship, which is fairly close to the planet's surface. And there isn't a bunch of jumping around that might indicate a time lapse or anything along those lines.

YouTube video

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Well she traveled from the clouds to the ship pretty quickly (going by what was shown). We all know that CM can travel at great speeds. That's not debatable.

The argument is that she only has human level reflexes and reactions (her speed before making contact with anything is always within what a human can react to). Look at the last second or two before going through Thanos ship. CM is traveling very slowly before hitting the ship.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are speculating now.
The speed is irrelevant anyway. CM had a total of 3 seconds to close in on the missile. That doesn't take superhuman reflexes.

Here's irrefutable logic:
The scene where she first makes contact with the missile shows that her relative speed to the missile was very small. The scene starts at the end of 0:24 and goes into the beginning of 0:25 (about 0.1-0.2 seconds elapsed). If you pause it just right then you would see her a few feet away from the missile before making contact. We can literally see her motion towards the missile from a few feet away from it. To be specific, It takes her somewhere about 0.1-0.2 seconds to make contact with the missile from a few feet back.

Here is the irrefutable logic, any human being pushed at a speed of mach 20 wouldn't be able to coordinate the destruction of similar objects closely following by, unless he/she had super-reflexes.

Anything else is mere desperation to lowball Marvel, so h1-like.

Most evidence proves that the missile was moving as fast as I claim. You only have one scene which can easily be attributed to movie plot.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Here is the irrefutable logic, any human being pushed at a speed of mach 20 wouldn't be able to coordinate the destruction of similar objects closely following by, unless he/she had super-reflexes.

Anything else is mere desperation to lowball Marvel, so h1-like.

Most evidence proves that the missile was moving as fast as I claim. You only have one scene which can easily be attributed to movie plot.

Whats shown >>>>>what you believe (missiles moving at Mach 20).

Visually, she was moving slowly (human reactions threshold) in comparison to the missile in two different scenes. Time elasped is irrefutable.

Originally posted by h1a8
Whats shown >>>>>what you believe (missiles moving at Mach 20).

Visually, she was moving slowly (human reactions threshold) in comparison to the missile in two different scenes. Time elasped is irrefutable.

The Torfa scene and Logic>>>> 1 scene which you decided to manipulate to your lowballing convenience.

Everyone knows that the side which has more evidence is the one that wins, ergo, me!