Captain Marvel vs. Justice League

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor only used the cloak since he was hammerless. One gaining the hammers back he didn't use the cloak or even thought about it again.

These aren't fan controlled characters. If you want to debate that way then we can. Just say the word.

Superman normal durability feats are enough since lightning doesnt bypass durability. The more durable an object then the more resistant against lightning it is, without being damaged.

In particular Superman survived a nuke (although it injured him). That shitty ass cloak lightning is a speck of dust compared to that.

Superman was almost dead after that nuke and needed the sun to revive him. You still haven't showed any feat where Superman shrugged off an energy attack.

Thor was cloaked in lightning in the fight in Wakanda. Please stop making stuff up.

You're right, they aren't fan controlled characters, therefore you can't dictate that Thor won't use his lightning cloak or won't hit Superman in the face.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Still ignoring a mod ruling?

It's incorrect, so yes.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's incorrect, so yes.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman was almost dead after that nuke and needed the sun to revive him. You still haven't showed any feat where Superman shrugged off an energy attack.

Thor was cloaked in lightning in the fight in Wakanda. Please stop making stuff up.

You're right, they aren't fan controlled characters, therefore you can't dictate that Thor won't use his lightning cloak or won't hit Superman in the face.

But the fact that Superman didn't die and his body was 100% intact proves that something astronomically lesser would do almost nothing to him. Isn't that the argument you give Thor? Should I start arguing that hv can affect Thor?

Cloaked in lightning is not the lightning cloak you were referring to (lightning shooting out from Thor striking from Ragnarok).

Originally posted by h1a8
I can dictate what Thor will do based off character, circumstances, and how they operate in a movie. Thor used lightning cloak when he was hammerless and against multiple enemies. When he had the hammers later he did not fight enemies with that on.

But the fact that Superman didn't die and his body was 100% intact proves that something astronomically lesser would do almost nothing to him. Isn't that the argument you give Thor? Should I start arguing that hv can affect Thor?

Cloaked in lightning is not the lightning cloak you were referring to (lightning shooting out from Thor striking from Ragnarok).

Back up. When did I ever say that HV won't hurt Thor? Are you making stuff up again?

So is your argument now that nothing can hurt Superman other than a nuke? Because if that's how you want to play this then we can say nothing but a neutron star will hurt Thor. Is this really how you want to debate?

Besides, how do you expect Thor to use his lightning cloak on enemies when they couldn't even close the distance to him due to his AOE's? You do know that just because a kickboxer knocks out his opponents with kicks before they come close doesn't mean he can't punch right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Back up. When did I ever say that HV won't hurt Thor? Are you making stuff up again?

So is your argument now that nothing can hurt Superman other than a nuke? Because if that's how you want to play this then we can say nothing but a neutron star will hurt Thor. Is this really how you want to debate?

Besides, how do you expect Thor to use his lightning cloak on enemies when they couldn't even close the distance to him due to his AOE's? You do know that just because a kickboxer knocks out his opponents with kicks before they come close doesn't mean he can't punch right?

You stated HV wont hurt Thor in an earlier thread. You and others.
When did I state that anything lesser than a nuke wont hurt Superman? I said anything astronomically less (cloak lightning) wont significantly affect him (significantly alter the outcome of the battle).

It's multiple directions, not all directions at once.
But I dont understand your last paragraph.

Originally posted by h1a8
You stated HV wont hurt Thor in an earlier thread. You and others.
When did I state that anything lesser than a nuke wont hurt Superman? I said anything astronomically less (cloak lightning) wont significantly affect him (significantly alter the outcome of the battle).

It's multiple directions, not all directions at once.
But I dont understand your last paragraph.

Nope, I never said Superman's HV won't hurt Thor. In the same way that only an idiot would think Thor's lightning couldn't hurt Superman. Now I don't think it can one-shot him, but there's definitely no indication that he can just stand around and take multiple lightning blasts without issues.

As for the last paragraph, what I'm saying was that Thor didn't need to use his cloak when his AOE was already killing all the enemies around him. That doesn't mean that he can no longer do it. If this is your logic then should we say Superman also can't use his HV eversince he was resurrected?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nope, I never said Superman's HV won't hurt Thor. In the same way that only an idiot would think Thor's lightning couldn't hurt Superman. Now I don't think it can one-shot him, but there's definitely no indication that he can just stand around and take multiple lightning blasts without issues.

As for the last paragraph, what I'm saying was that Thor didn't need to use his cloak when his AOE was already killing all the enemies around him. That doesn't mean that he can no longer do it. If this is your logic then should we say Superman also can't use his HV eversince he was resurrected?

You have to look at the circumstances he used the cloak
1) No hammer
2) against multiple enemies

Then you have to look at when he gained the hammers. He used AOE attacks when again
1) against multiple enemies
2) never against a single enemy

He didn't use a lightning cloak. For you to sit here and say that this version of Thor will AUTOMATICALLY use a lightning cloak is basically saying that you are using a fan controlled character. Just let me know if that's the case. I can see if this was Rag Thor. Then yes he will always use the lightning cloak.

Superman will be significantly effected by Thor's biggest blasts (I.e who you are the god of again blast). But not so much from little cloak lightning, since that is at least a magnitude weaker than his biggest blasts.

Superman will mostly likely not use HV here. He would go mainly go fisticuffs. I only see Superman using HV in desperate situations.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to look at the circumstances he used the cloak
1) No hammer
2) against multiple enemies

Then you have to look at when he gained the hammers. He used AOE attacks when again
1) against multiple enemies
2) never against a single enemy

He didn't use a lightning cloak. For you to sit here and say that this version of Thor will AUTOMATICALLY use a lightning cloak is basically saying that you are using a fan controlled character. Just let me know if that's the case. I can see if this was Rag Thor. Then yes he will always use the lightning cloak.

Superman will be significantly effected by Thor's biggest blasts (I.e who you are the god of again blast). But not so much from little cloak lightning, since that is at least a magnitude weaker than his biggest blasts.

Superman will mostly likely not use HV here. He would go mainly go fisticuffs. I only see Superman using HV in desperate situations.

Just so we're clear, are you saying Superman could not use HV after he was ressurected because he doesn't have feats of using it then?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just so we're clear, are you saying Superman could not use HV after he was ressurected because he doesn't have feats of using it then?

No I'm saying that he won't use HV at all (by choice or won’t think about it) unless he is desperate and have exhausted other alternatives.

Otherwise he would have used it at least once outside that circumstance.

So I guess you agree with everything else. Cool!

Originally posted by h1a8
No I'm saying that he won't use HV at all (by choice or won’t think about it) unless he is desperate and have exhausted other alternatives.

Otherwise he would have used it at least once outside that circumstance.

So I guess you agree with everything else. Cool!

You're not answering my question. I'm asking if you believe that Superman, if he decides to, can use his HV after being resurrected even if we never saw him use it?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're not answering my question. I'm asking if you believe that Superman, if he decides to, can use his HV after being resurrected even if we never saw him use it?

Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant questions. I never implied that Thor lost the ability to do a lightning cloak. Im arguing how the character will choose to fight (not a fan controlled character).

So you also don't think that Superman will fight the entire time in superspeed because that's not how he regularly fights right? You also agree that Flash will probably trip because he always seems to and that Diana can't cut off the heads of any of the MCU team since she's never done so?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're not answering my question. I'm asking if you believe that Superman, if he decides to, can use his HV after being resurrected even if we never saw him use it?

He did use it though. In fact, it's one of the first thing he uses after being resurrected. At 1:14:

YouTube video

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you also don't think that Superman will fight the entire time in superspeed because that's not how he regularly fights right? You also agree that Flash will probably trip because he always seems to and that Diana can't cut off the heads of any of the MCU team since she's never done so?

Flash will not choose to trip. We are talking about character choices.
And Superman did use HV. You fooled me.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He did use it though. In fact, it's one of the first thing he uses after being resurrected. At 1:14:

YouTube video

Ah, my bad. I'll find a different example then.

Originally posted by h1a8
Flash will not choose to trip. We are talking about character choices.
And Superman did use HV. You fooled me.

And Thor will choose to use his lightning cloak if he needs to. Like I said, you can't make the choices for the characters themselves and you definitely can't dictate what they can or cannot do unless backed by feats.

Superman is faster than the lightning from Thor's lightning cloak and more to the point, who has it even hurt?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And Thor will choose to use his lightning cloak if he needs to. Like I said, you can't make the choices for the characters themselves and you definitely can't dictate what they can or cannot do unless backed by feats.

It's you who are making the choices for Thor, choices that Thor never made in films under these circumstances. Thanos beat the shit out of Thor and was about to put him down permanently. Where was the cloak? If you say PIS then I'll accept that.

You are saying that this version of Thor will cloak up the moment the bell rings is basically saying we are using fan controlled characters (which I am fine with).

We CAN DICTATE WHAT A CHARACTER CANT DO BACKED BY SHOWINGS. That is what I did. Unless you want to argue fan controlled characters then I certainly can go that route.

If you continue to argue lightning cloak for this version of Thor then I'm going to assume fan controlled characters and argue accordingly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman is faster than the lightning from Thor's lightning cloak and more to the point, who has it even hurt?

Which is why I said he'll probably land a punch on Thor before Thor can activate it. But let's not pretend that Superman can KO Thor with a single punch.