Captain Marvel vs. Justice League

Originally posted by John Murdoch
DCEU Supes pwns base Thanos with little trouble.

Anyways, to the topic at hand:

1. Binary Carol sweeps the floor. Her super saiyan mode should make her invincible to anyone on the team; only chance is if she is in baseline mode and Diana gets some good quick slices or stabs in.

2. Team DCEU has the best lightning bruiser on film since the comic book movie craze got into full swing in Cavillman, but is he enough to combat SB Thor & Carol with the Doc as support? SB Thor and Carol (especially w/ her shields) have durability for days, and Strange can BFR or incap all of Team DCEU minus Supes and maybe Diana and/or Flash in a couple of seconds. Then again, if Team DCEU can quickly take out Strange/hold off Thor or Cap Marvel while Supes gets to concentrate on one of the MCU powerhouses...I don't know, it's still iffy for Team DCEU in my book. It's close to call on whose the big gun is here between Carol and Clark (my vote is Carol), and if Strange can stay in his support role while Marvel MVP Thor shows up and not PTSD Thor, the Justice League is going down hard. After that, Team MCU is going to take Supes down eventually.

As far as Carol vs Clark, even after Endgame I think it goes:
- Strength: Carol
- Flight/Travel Speed: Carol
- Combat/Reaction Speed: Clark
- Fighting Ability: toss-up
- Durability: I would guess Carol, but it depends if flying through a black hole outweighs taking a nuke to the face. Not trolling, I really don't know the forces involved or the math/physics behind either one. Both have flown through enough starships though.

EDIT: Added a quote instead of using a "^" sign, and added the last paragraph above.

DCEU Supes what?

I pretty much agree here.

I'll agree with all of John's post except the fighting ability, Superman is one of the most unskilled fighters in comic moviedom. The only person worse is Zod

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
LMAO. Superman was struggling to move an oil freighter! The Hulk was moving Surtur, who is wayy heavier than a ship, by casually jumping on it!

And I don't need to remind you that Thanos shamed Hulk!

DCEU son of Krypton isn't on the Mad Titan's league, sorry.

Calmly walking = struggling in your mind? And Hulk didn't move Surtur, he just tilted his head in annoyance. Considering Iron Man has matched Hulk's strength blow for blow I'm not impressed.

Yeah, we all know Hulk is a jobber.

Yep, he's a couple of tiers above Thanos.

Iron Man is more durable than Hulk

Originally posted by Psychotron
Calmly walking = struggling in your mind? And Hulk didn't move Surtur, he just tilted his head in annoyance. Considering Iron Man has matched Hulk's strength blow for blow I'm not impressed.

Yeah, we all know Hulk is a jobber.

Yep, he's a couple of tiers above Thanos.

Actually he was leaning, not casually walking!

And still, a ship is no match for Surtur in ANY WAY! Surtur was moved from his hip up!

What!!!? IM wasn't matching Thanos' strength! And IM making Thanos bleed is an upper feat for him, not a low feat for Thanos!

Besides, IM hit Thanos with an edge of his suit, basically cutting him.

Carol never flew through a black hole. Those credits were not part of the movie but rather special effects for the end credits.

Superman would statue Carol.
WW would lasso her or stab her

Originally posted by h1a8
Carol never flew through a black hole. Those credits were not part of the movie but rather special effects for the end credits.

Superman would statue Carol.
WW would lasso her or stab her

Movie credits are part of the movie, but nice attempt at trying to lowball Carol, as all other Marvel characters.

Concession accepted, Carol is stronger and more durable.

Naah, Carol travels at LS, Superman doesn't.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Movie credits are part of the movie, but nice attempt at trying to lowball Carol, as all other Marvel characters.

Concession accepted, Carol is stronger and more durable.

Naah, Carol travels at LS, Superman doesn't.

Even if she travels that fast its useless if she doesnt fight that fast which there is zero evidence that she does

She seemed to fight at the same speed as Thanos, so it's a safe bet that she'll be a statue to Superman.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Movie credits are part of the movie, but nice attempt at trying to lowball Carol, as all other Marvel characters.

Concession accepted, Carol is stronger and more durable.

Naah, Carol travels at LS, Superman doesn't.

You were not listening. Those were special effects, not Carol flying through a black hole.

Flying st LS in space has no bearing on how fast one can travel in an atmosphere or their combat speed and reactions.

Superman will statue CM

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Even if she travels that fast its useless if she doesnt fight that fast which there is zero evidence that she does

Superman can't speedblitz forever. Furthermore, Diana was fighting Superman, which means Carol definitely can.

If Carol decides to fly at LS and punch Superman, the statue will be Superman.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She seemed to fight at the same speed as Thanos, so it's a safe bet that she'll be a statue to Superman.

Superman can't speedblitz forever. He will eventually slow down and be handled.

Originally posted by h1a8
You were not listening. Those were special effects, not Carol flying through a black hole.

Flying st LS in space has no bearing on how fast one can travel in an atmosphere or their combat speed and reactions.

Superman will statue CM

You are delusional. It was still making reference to Carol. It was Carol.

Lol. The amount of energy required to travel at LS is infinite. Even in Earth's atmosphere Carol's speed would be unrivaled by Superman.

Even if he does, Superman doesn't have the power to put her down, and he will have to slow down eventually and be defeated.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Superman can't speedblitz forever. Furthermore, Diana was fighting Superman, which means Carol definitely can.

If Carol decides to fly at LS and punch Superman, the statue will be Superman.

Superman can't speedblitz forever. He will eventually slow down and be handled.

You are delusional. It was still making reference to Carol. It was Carol.

Lol. The amount of energy required to travel at LS is infinite. Even in Earth's atmosphere Carol's speed would be unrivaled by Superman.

Even if he does, Superman doesn't have the power to put her down, and he will have to slow down eventually and be defeated.

Why are you trolling us?
Carol can't fly anywhere close to LS in an atmosphere. Even if she could then she wouldn't because she wouldn't be able to react to shit.

Special effects is not something happening in the movie. Look at the part where the stars become the cat. These were special effects for the credits.

Relativity isnt present in Marvel. Spaceships, many characters can all go faster than light.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why are you trolling us?
Carol can't fly anywhere close to LS in an atmosphere. Even if she could then she wouldn't because she wouldn't be able to react to shit.

Special effects is not something happening in the movie. Look at the part where the stars become the cat. These were special effects for the credits.

Relativity isnt present in Marvel. Spaceships, many characters can all go faster than light.

I just love it. I love how you like playing scientist when it suits you.

Even if Carol can't travel at LS in the atmosphere, she is certainly WAYYYY faster than Superman. She was travelling light years of distance in days!

The only troll here is you.

The movie portrayed Carol travelling through a black hole! Period! If the movie did that is because she can and they wanted to protray how powerful she was!

Considering that Thor withstood a Neutron Star's power, and that Carol is meant to be more powerful than Thor, then she travelling through a Black Hole isn't that crazy!

Prove she didn't travel through a black hole as the movie portrayed, or stop lowballing

You are definitely in full lowball mode now! Then I can say the samething about DC and Superman speedblitzing!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Superman can't speedblitz forever. He will eventually slow down and be handled.

Why, exactly?

Not that he needs to. A few seconds would be enough to land hundreds of punches. Carol gets heemed and there's nothing she can do about it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Why, exactly?

Not that he needs to. A few seconds would be enough to land hundreds of punches. Carol gets heemed and there's nothing she can do about it.

Even Superman tires.

And again, if we are going to go outside character portrayal, then Carol can punch Superman at near LS.

Assuming Superman can even penetrate Carol's shield, which he can't.

He slows down and gets beaten.

Show Carol punching anyone at lightspeed. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
Show Carol punching anyone at lightspeed. 🙂

I don't need to prove logic 🙂

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Even Superman tires.

And again, if we are going to go outside character portrayal, then Carol can punch Superman at near LS.

Assuming Superman can even penetrate Carol's shield, which he can't.

He slows down and gets beaten.

Does he now? We've never seen Cavill's Superman tired. Not even after extended battles with other Kryptonians.

How is Superman fighting in super speed our of character? He fought Flash in super speed. He blitzed Diana. He blitzed Steppenwolf. It would out of character if he fought at her speed.

That shield will crumble after hundreds of Superman-level punches.

Delusions. Show Superman getting tired without Kryptonite.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I just love it. I love how you like playing scientist when it suits you.

Even if Carol can't travel at LS in the atmosphere, she is certainly WAYYYY faster than Superman. She was travelling light years of distance in days!

The only troll here is you.

The movie portrayed Carol travelling through a black hole! Period! If the movie did that is because she can and they wanted to protray how powerful she was!

Considering that Thor withstood a Neutron Star's power, and that Carol is meant to be more powerful than Thor, then she travelling through a Black Hole isn't that crazy!

Prove she didn't travel through a black hole as the movie portrayed, or stop lowballing

You are definitely in full lowball mode now! Then I can say the samething about DC and Superman speedblitzing!

Where is the proof that she can travel faster than Superman in an atmosphere? We seen her fly in an atmosphere and it wasnt faster than Superman. We use on screen feats.

Flight and and combat speed are not the same. She only has human level reactions. She will be a statue the moment the bell rings.

She never flew through a black hole appearing object. Those were special effects for the credits. Since when do galaxies become cats? That alone proves it.

Also, flying through an event horizon at faster than light speed is a shitty feat. Why? Because ftl speed is the escape velocity of an event horizon.
A human astronaut in a spacesuit can survive in an event horizon for a little while before reaching the singularity.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Actually he was leaning, not casually walking!

And still, a ship is no match for Surtur in ANY WAY! Surtur was moved from his hip up!

What!!!? IM wasn't matching Thanos' strength! And IM making Thanos bleed is an upper feat for him, not a low feat for Thanos!

Besides, IM hit Thanos with an edge of his suit, basically cutting him.

So? Leaning = struggling now?

We saw Superman easily carry a whole commie block full of people in JL. That blows everything Hulk has done out of the water.

I said Iron Man matched Hulk in strength, illiterate one.