Team Angels vs Team Meta/Monitors vs Team Imps
Team Angels:
Fallen One
Lucifer Morningstar
Gabriel Hornblower (Sword of Azazel)
Michael Demiurgos
Zauriel (N52)
Phantom Stranger
Spectre (full power)
Team Meta/Monitors:
Nix Uotan
Cosmic Armor Superman
Quantum Superman
Mandrakk
World Forger
Anti-Monitor
The Monitor
Perpetua
Yellow Aliens
The Empty Hand
Team Imps:
Mr Mxy
Batmite
Qwsp
Lord Vyndktvx
Ultimator
LKZ & YZ
Klyzyzk Klzntplkz
King Brpxz
There are a lot of contradicting or overlapping power levels
Mxy did destroy the entire DCU.
Perpatua DID create DCU, which does include Mxy. While her feat at the moment are questionable, what's been established by Snyder isn't. She did create the DCU.
Beyond that, most of the characters listed on the Meta team are...well meta's. Quantum Superman was pretty much manipulating the story. Unfortunately, he has 1 appearance so we can't put a good pinpoint on his power.
Mandrakk and CAS despite operating in a smaller dimension than Mxy are likely his equals.
The Empty Hand..Lets be real, he destroy Nix who was supposed to be "The Monitor/TheUltraMonitor".
The reason why I do not mention the other Imps, it's because they are irrelevant. Mxy has already been established to be the strongest Imp
Originally posted by xJLxKingThere is no proof(or reason to suspect) that Perpetua created the 5th dimension/Mxy.
Perpatua DID create DCU, which does include Mxy.
So far as we know, she 'only' created the dimensional space that comprises the mainstream multiverse(up to and including the Monitor Sphere and Dark Multiverse.) She essentially created everything we see on the front(and back) of Morrison's Map -- that was her essential function/purpose, after all.
However, there is absolutely no indication that she created anything outside of the multiverse... And the 5th dimension is very much outside of the multiverse:
https://i.imgur.com/XmoMvG7.jpg
If Lucifer and Michael scale to the will/power of the current Source...I would say they”re at least as powerful (and likely moreso) than the cosmic raptor that oneshotted Perpetua + her army and imprisoned her in the source wall with no apparent effort. The yellow aliens would be the only possible counter, here.
Originally posted by Galan007
There is no proof(or reason to suspect) that Perpetua created the 5th dimension/Mxy.So far as we know, she 'only' created the dimensional space that comprises the mainstream multiverse(up to and including the Monitor Sphere and Dark Multiverse.) She essentially created everything we see on the front(and back) of Morrison's Map -- that was her essential function/purpose, after all.
However, there is absolutely no indication that she created anything outside of the multiverse... And the 5th dimension is very much outside of the multiverse:
https://i.imgur.com/XmoMvG7.jpg
With that said though, the way I see it is with Snyder is, Perpetua created the DCU multiverse. Imagination/5D dimension while not part of the standard DCU map, is still there. Imagination doesn’t really have a dimension, the same way time doesn’t exist without objections/gravity
She is her creator.
However, there is always another way to look at this, which Snyder seemed to have hinted on various times
What you create can ultimately surprise, beat, or surpass you. We saw this on multiple occasions
Superman managing to defeat WF
ultramonitor managing to fight Perpetua (although weakened)
Lastly, we can always go back and slap Snyder’s explanation that she created a multiverse that was pretty hollow. Imagination gave birth to itself when DCU came alive. It’s more far fetched thoug
Imagination as a concept is indeed part of Perpetua's creation. However, imagination also has its own numerical designation within DC's greater superstructure: the 5th dimension/Zrfff, of which exists outside of the multiverse, and therefore outside of Perpetua's immediate 'scope'.
That said, while Perpetua may not have personally created the concept/dimension of imagination, it is still a fundamental component within her multiverse(obviously.) In this case, imagination is incorporated into the mainstream multiverse by way of The Bleed:
https://i.imgur.com/1T4lFQO.jpg
"Imagination is the blood of the multiverse -- the energy that flows between the realms." [ie. The Bleed = pure imagination.]
So far as we know, Perpetua's influence is confined exclusively to the mainstream multiverse and its corresponding cosmology(like Hypertime and the Dark Multiverse.) But again: multiversal creation is the function she was explicitly created for, so that's no surprise.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I will have to disagree with this. For the record, I do not like Snyder’s explanation, nor do I think it will hold for more than a few years. It will likely be forgetting or overlapped with the next creation explanationWith that said though, the way I see it is with Snyder is, Perpetua created the DCU multiverse. Imagination/5D dimension while not part of the standard DCU map, is still there. Imagination doesn’t really have a dimension, the same way time doesn’t exist without objections/gravity
She is her creator.
However, there is always another way to look at this, which Snyder seemed to have hinted on various times
What you create can ultimately surprise, beat, or surpass you. We saw this on multiple occasions
Superman managing to defeat WF
ultramonitor managing to fight Perpetua (although weakened)Lastly, we can always go back and slap Snyder’s explanation that she created a multiverse that was pretty hollow. Imagination gave birth to itself when DCU came alive. It’s more far fetched thoug
perpetua only created ONE multiverse out of dc infinite multiverses, and logically she only created everything on the map but then again this is not explained the extension of her creation. all we know is it's infinite universes with higher dimensions like sphere of the gods, and also dark multiverse)
There are infinite multiverses in DC cosmology.
Unless they all exist independent of imagination(which is unlikely/impossible, given that they are fictional), then it is entirely possible that the 5th dimension is tapped-into/utilized by each and every multiverse in DC cosmology. IOW, it could very well be an Omniversal force.
Originally posted by Galan007
There are infinite multiverses in DC cosmology.Unless they all exist independent of imagination(which is unlikely/impossible, given that they are fictional), then it is entirely possible that the 5th dimension is tapped-into/utilized by each and every multiverse in DC cosmology. IOW, it could very well be an Omniversal force.
that would make sense since mxy can travel through hypertime going into places like DC animation and DC lego
Originally posted by MrMind
no one is saying anything about outside of dc thoughwe are just saying the dc omniverse is much bigger than perpetua's creation, meaning 5th dimension could transcend perpetua's creation
...Huh?
Perpetua’s creation is the DC Multiverse. There is a DC Multiverse and the Greater Omniverse outside of DC which contains infinite multiverses (that have different laws and designs than the DC Multiverse, for example the Lovecraft Multiverse in the Greater Omniverse). Mxy is the embodiment of imagination in the DC Multiverse, but the 5th dimension does not necessarily exist in the same way in every multiverse across the greater omniverse.
Furthermore, we already know the 5th dimension doesn”t transcend perpetua”s creation, because otherwise the destruction of the source wall wouldn”t have an effect on it, nor would the Sixth Dimension, which is part of the DC Multiverse, be beyond it.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
...Huh?Perpetua’s creation is the DC Multiverse. There is a DC Multiverse and the Greater Omniverse outside of DC which contains infinite multiverses (that have different laws and designs than the DC Multiverse, for example the Lovecraft Multiverse in the Greater Omniverse). Mxy is the embodiment of imagination in the DC Multiverse, but the 5th dimension does not necessarily exist in the same way in every multiverse across the greater omniverse.
Furthermore, we already know the 5th dimension doesn”t transcend perpetua”s creation, because otherwise the destruction of the source wall wouldn”t have an effect on it, nor would the Sixth Dimension, which is part of the DC Multiverse, be beyond it.
the greater omniverse is still DC.... it's not outside of DC...
