Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not sure if you missed my point lol.The point being, whether the hero in question kills a criminal or not, the crime rate is still sky high - so what's the use of killing?
Not to mention, Frank has backup in the form of every other major superhero in Marvel ALSO hanging out in NYC. Batman has the Batfamily....
For the most part, it seems it's usually up to him, Spider-Man, and Daredevil to deal with, and we know the other two won't kill.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. Parker and Murdock are pussies.If anyone truly contributes to Frank's case, it's Wolverine. And even then, he is not as radical as Frank, as he believes the mafia can't be truly gone, thus he picks/removes its leaders accordingly.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
True, Wolverine has no qualms about killing them, but I didn't mention him because he doesn't necessarily feel it's a priority or even necessary to do anything about violent criminals, unless it's someone he's specifically after or in his way.
Quite correct.
He will often intervene, though. More often than others.
It's just not his priority - as in Frank's case - and he'll handle it in a different way.
Still, Frank considers him a close ally... even after all the awful shit between them, steamroller and everything.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Marvel's superheroes are concentrated in NYC, sure, but one of The Punisher's biggest issues with them is that most of them are too preoccupied with responding to superpowered threats to bother doing anything about ordinary violent criminals.For the most part, it seems it's usually up to him, Spider-Man, and Daredevil to deal with, and we know the other two won't kill.
Yes, but NYC still has superpowered villains and non superpowered villains, despite his killing.
Gotham ALSO has superpowered and non superpowered villains, but has a smaller hero base and has no killing.
So who is more effective?
Dark, you want a true answer? Nobody is.
They could go on the f*cking vacation with hot chicks, awesome drugs and strong drinks and everything would be the same.
Comics are comics.
Heroes are gonna be heroes, villains are gonna be villains.
Nothing can stop them. Nothing.
They can't stop each other and sure as f*ck other factors can't come close, either.
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Agreed.
I just found it weird that 'killing' was held up to be this awesome solution, when it doesn't actually solve anything in Marvel NYC.
PIS? Sure, maybe. IRL, a vigilante going round shooting and torturing your buddies is certainly a way to go on the straight and narrow.
But then, IRL, if alien tech and prison tech like what exists in DC existed in our world, prison breaks would be a thing of the past.
The argument being put forth that Frank is moree effective because of the permanence of his solution seems to fall flat for me.
1. Even bad guys have family, or people close to them (like associates) that would seek vengeance. Violence begetts violence. Its a fact and always has been. In the real world any violent death incites some sort of want for revenge, and those on the wrong side of the law are far more likely to act on that want.
2. Plot is literally the only reason Batman's villains escape etc. Jailbreaks in real life are no where near as common.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/06/08/prison-escape-statistics/28693731/
Maximum security prisoners simply rarely escape, and lets face it anyone Batman had caught isnt likely to be locked in low security.
So in the real world using the methods they employ it would clearly be Batman's method that proved more effective. As once caught they wouldnt escape as readily as they do in comics as Plot demands it. Conversely Frank's method would incite retaliation that would likely cost more innocent lives
Originally posted by beatboks
The argument being put forth that Frank is moree effective because of the permanence of his solution seems to fall flat for me.1. Even bad guys have family, or people close to them (like associates) that would seek vengeance. Violence begetts violence. Its a fact and always has been. In the real world any violent death incites some sort of want for revenge, and those on the wrong side of the law are far more likely to act on that want.
2. Plot is literally the only reason Batman's villains escape etc. Jailbreaks in real life are no where near as common.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/06/08/prison-escape-statistics/28693731/
Maximum security prisoners simply rarely escape, and lets face it anyone Batman had caught isnt likely to be locked in low security.
So in the real world using the methods they employ it would clearly be Batman's method that proved more effective. As once caught they wouldnt escape as readily as they do in comics as Plot demands it. Conversely Frank's method would incite retaliation that would likely cost more innocent lives
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Agreed. PLUS Batman doesn't just put them in random cells. He actually tests them out for Arkham:
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IOW, breaking out - repeatedly - is plot driven, and shouldn't be held against Batman. In reality, his methods are just as permanent as the Punisher's.
I mean, the RIDDLER manages to hack New Genesis security systems that apparently, even THEIR best minds can't crack, lol. And does it in 11 seconds:
So we shouldn't hold it against Batman when his enemies are able to do things no one can.
Yeah and lets face it in the real world Franks methods would multiply the deaths of innocents by a magnitude of order. Gang violence is a perfect example. A member of one street gang gets hurt or killed and the gang he belongs to inacts a reyaliatory hit. Lets also not forget the lessons of history. The only reason Eliot Ness even started after Capone was because of the violence on the streets, things like the Valentines day masacre. Look at the Ciaculli bombing in the 60's killing many police and military and a result the first mafia war. During the second mafia war of the 80's there were thousands of killings and that included law enforcement, judges, politicians and govt officials like a Carabinieri Colonel, Colonel Giuseppe Russo, police chiefs Emanuele Basile and Boris Giuliano, magistrates Rocco Chinnici and Cesare Terranova, and politicians Piersanti Mattarella and Pio La Torre.
This was their responce to lethal actuons against them.
Originally posted by cdtm
Castle only has one games
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like I was saying, Predators only had one game, and it's better then all of Batmans.