DarkSaint85
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Originally posted by MrMind
CIS off, full capacity rule doesn't mean we don't take into account of characters' full historiesor else everyone who's vulnerable to physical harm would get killed by Zoom, or Wally West could solo the entire DC and Marvel Earth altogether under these conditions. cuz speed lol
Bear in mind Majestic has a sword that can cut through anything, who has the further reach Majestic with his sword or Superman's fist?
what you are suggesting is that Superman can run around Majestic without getting hit once, at the same time KO majestic with a roundhouse kick.
That's...precisely why Carver ragequit for a time, lol.
Forum rules:
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
IOW, even though the Flash's history doesn't have him offensively using his speed in the first millisecond of his COMIC fights, FORUM fights do. And that's with offensive speed. Defensively? Unless he loves pain, or is genuinely stupid, why would he ALLOW himself to get hit?
In this thread, CIS is off. So ask yourself: how does Superman get hit?
1. His opponent is faster than him.
2. His opponent is slower than him.
If 1, then we need to prove it. But you have already agreed that it's NOT 1. So it must be 2.
If 2, then we get the argument that well, slower characters hit faster characters ALL the time in comics. But this only occurs because:
A: Plot demands it - nobody wants to buy a Flash/Superman comic that is a single page long
B: Superman ALLOWS himself to be hit, because he is either stupid as phuck (herp, this blade is slowly travelling towards me, derpydoo I should let it hit me!), he enjoys it (oooh I've been a naughty boy, hope it stings!) or he's trying to test his opponent's strength.
Point A is negated by it being a forum fight. Point B? Well, he's not stupid, plus CIS is off. He's no sadist. So that leaves the ONLY way he gets hit, is because he's trying to test his opponent.
So now, go grab a knife. Start SLOWLY slicing into yourself. At what point will you say 'OK, that's enough, I've learnt all I need to from this stupid ass science experiment'?
Besides, you've forgotten that Supes also has HV, freezebreath, shouting powers...
Edit: further clarification of speed:
The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight. Every superhero or supervillain has a minimum amount of effort and competence that they will utilise going in to a fight. For villains that's usually a higher starting point because they like to not hold back, sure, but the heroes aren't going to be stupid either. They are not going to self-sabotage, and they will not let pride, ego or forgetting they have a way to win the fight to get in the way.
So Superman isn't standing there with his chest puffed out, thinking he can tank slashes from this Majestic guy who he's never met before.
