Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not going off topic.Magnitudes? Like, atto second vs nanosecond? That's literally magnitudes lol.
You calling it an outlier doesn't negate it having happened. Then there's the moon rebuilding feat.
It's the full capacity rule, not average capacity rule. We've NEVER had a rule saying we go by averages. Never.
It does negate it, when narration is straight up against what's shown on panel.
superman is not moving at attosecond basis, this was a nice supersonic/hypersonic feat nothing more
1. bullet is only hypersonic fast. the bullet doesn't travel at all in attoseconds or femtosecond
2. if he's operating at attoseconds basis he should be massively faster than light, why does he barely make it to save the woman?
3. it was stated on panel the bullet was traveling 830 feet per second, and superman barely made it with acceleration, he was only city blocks away, he was in the same city. the distance he traveled was not far at all
https://imgur.com/a/iqUBMel
Majestic actually has a better feat than that one. he was stopping multiple disasters at once all over the world, not just in one city
https://imgur.com/JaU6GoP
we take what's shown over what's stated
just like you would happily take Wally actually went massively over light speed when saving half a million people from nuke explosion in fernus arc, even though narration only said he's below light speed
same thing here, you can't pick and choose.
So far you have no arguments
Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, where is this coming from?
How's it 2 vs 1? Superman punched him, Hal just contained him (Majestic didn't even tried to break out).And there is DOS Doomsday almost killing Majestic, Apollo and the same Superman.
And then there is Captain Atom commenting Majestic is almost as strong as Superman.
And normal Eradicator overpowering Majestic with one hand.
Nonsense. It was canon to Wildstorm characters, the reality was reset.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090222022604/http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=143484
Dreamwar was later mentioned in Wildstorm titles as well.
abhi, stop being willfully obtuse
if 2 men was holding your arms immobilizing you, while John knocks you out when you couldn't move
would you say John is a better fighter than you?
same thing happened there, to call it superman one shotting majestic is grossly overstatement that ignores all context of what actually happened. That's carver level bullshit and you know it
CA comments doesn't mean much, Majestic was holding back when he first met CA
Eradicator got his ass kicked
your link doesn't work
Dreamwar was just a dream, if you read the last issue of the book you know none of it happened.
You're misconstruing perception/reaction speed(ie. what Superman was doing in those scans, when he was pereceiving/interpreting the events on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis) with flight speed.
Even though Superman's flight speed feats massively outclass Majestic's as well(*see he and Kara casually flying across 3 different GL sectors in a single panel, as a recent example*), flight speed is borderline irrelevant here -- this isn't a race from point 'a' to point 'b'. Superman's perception/reaction speed is what really matters when it comes to dodging Majestic's stabby-stabs... And Superman has the showings to suggest that even Majestic would -literally- be a statue in comparison to him.
Majestic has confirmed nanosecond perception/reaction speed. In one nanosecond, light can travel about a foot.
Superman has confirmed attosecond perception/reaction speed. In one attosecond, light can only travel the length of two hydrogen atoms.
There is no comparison whatsoever in that respect... It isn't even remotely close. ermm
Erm, no, you're misunderstanding the point of that scan.
The point is that Superman can register time in attosecond levels. It's a reflex feat.
The narration doesn't contradict anything, nor is it contradicted by anything. Moreover, I note you (deliberately?) didn't mention the moon rebuilding feat.
Tell me what YOU think is Superman's best speed feat.
I further note you keep throwing terms like 'average' for Superman, then post Majestics BEST feats, lol.
Edit: WTF Galan
Galan, Saint
I'm not mistaking travel speed with reflex/reaction speed
because normally travel speed and your reflex/reaction needs to be proportional
you can't be traveling at hypersonic/under light speed, yet be able to extend your arm out to block the bullet in attosecond, that's why this feat doesn't make sense. I'm going by what's actually shown, not just narration.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moreover, I note you (deliberately?) didn't mention the moon rebuilding feat.
I literally mentioned it in second page, I cannot mention the same thing again and again
Originally posted by MrMind
I agree to an extend, I think superman is faster, especially with the ridiculous speed feats from past 2 years like processing data of the entire universe or moon rebuilding in JLbut I don't think superman can run circles around Majestic in a battle scenerio, since Majestic himself is massively ftl
and take into account that superman consistently got hit by characters slower than Majestic, we can't all chalk it up to PIS and CIS you know
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless, you know.....Superman holds back in the atmosphere when flying.....
except he isn't. see when he says"I know my top speed, I know the distance, I'm close but this is math"
or when he keeps repeating "I won't make it"
Does he sound like he's holding back to you?
https://imgur.com/a/iqUBMel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆
Yep. He knows his top speed - because he's flying over a city (see scan of him flying).He has a top speed that he has to limit himself to when flying.
But you've taken that off.
We know Superman consciously uses just enough speed as to not irreparably destroy time/space:
https://i.imgur.com/fw4P7qN.jpg
Like you said, though: his character-induced 'governors' are presumably off the table here.
...But again, flight speed is primarily moot here regardless.
Originally posted by MrMind
abhi, stop being willfully obtuse
if 2 men was holding your arms immobilizing you, while John knocks you out when you couldn't move
would you say John is a better fighter than you?
same thing happened there, to call it superman one shotting majestic is grossly overstatement that ignores all context of what actually happened. That's carver level bullshit and you know it
That's bullshit, Majestic didn't even try to break out.
CA comments doesn't mean much, Majestic was holding back when he first met CA
Proof of this?
Eradicator got his ass kicked
Only because Majestic rewrote his programming. Otherwise Eradicator was breaking his bones with his one hand.
your link doesn't work
Dreamwar was just a dream, if you read the last issue of the book you know none of it happened.
Saying stupid shit doesn't makes it true.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's bullshit, Majestic didn't even try to break out.
ok...so superman only knock majestic out when majestic was restrained by someone and wasn't even trying to fight. that means superman somehow can one-shot majestic now? has so much kryptonian semen been squirted into your eyes you cant see the bigger picture? what even is this incoherent rambling
Proof of this?
Originally posted by abhilegendOnly because Majestic rewrote his programming. Otherwise Eradicator was breaking his bones with his one hand.
Eradicatior lost, deal with it
Originally posted by abhilegend
Saying stupid shit doesn't makes it true.
right back at ya
seriously go read the story again, last issue of dreamwar. it was just a dream, stated on panel. stop trying to weasel your way out
anyone who thinks eradicator was winning needs to examine their head, once majestic stop playing it was complete ownage
he even said so himself "let's stop playing" meaning I'm getting serious now
https://imgur.com/GNhxvyF
Originally posted by Galan007
👆We know Superman consciously uses just enough speed as to not irreparably destroy time/space:
https://i.imgur.com/fw4P7qN.jpgLike you said, though: his character-induced 'governors' are presumably off the table here.
...But again, flight speed is primarily moot here regardless.
Indeed. He can still perceive and react to thinks as they happen, if not on an attosecond, then a femtosecond.
Which is still magnitudes faster than Majestic. When he then gets hit in COMIC fights, either it's because his opponent is faster than him, or it's PIS for the story, or it's CIS because it's Clark.
None of which applies here.
Originally posted by MrMind
ok...so superman only knock majestic out when majestic was restrained by someone and wasn't even trying to fight. that means superman somehow can one-shot majestic now? has so much kryptonian semen been squirted into your eyes you cant see the bigger picture? what even is this incoherent rambling
Why are you trying to flame here? Superman oneshotted Majestic who was momentarily restrained by Hal. There was nothing to suggest it was a cheapshot.
Not to mention DOS Doomsday almost killed the same Majestic, Apollo and Superman.
Which you know, DOS Superman killed alone.
proof of what? Majestic holding back? I thought you read the story . he easily outspeed Captain Atom who was going full speed, and block his punch casually
"I'm not here to fight you, I'm here to help you"
https://imgur.com/aVN3dSC
he still wasn't trying to fight him, he was restraining him here
https://imgur.com/5ClJfCE
only when Atom spits on his face, he got mad and throw him to the monument. "that does it" means he was holding back before
https://imgur.com/JHTBOpk
That's a different fight, Majestic was already clowned by Atom.
Majestic even says Atom will go in pieces.
Eradicatior lost, deal with it
Actually he didn't. The blast koed Majestic and turned him into an amnesiac.
right back at ya
seriously go read the story again, last issue of dreamwar. it was just a dream, stated on panel. stop trying to weasel your way out
No, it wasn't. The boy was warping reality by in his dreams and that was changing reality in normal world.
Originally posted by MrMind
anyone who thinks eradicator was winning needs to examine their head, once majestic stop playing it was complete ownagehe even said so himself "let's stop playing" meaning I'm getting serious now
https://imgur.com/GNhxvyF
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777499/eradvsmajestic_5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777853/majesticamnesiac.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777852/majesticamnesiac_2.jpg.html
Wow, such ownag!!!
Why are you trying to flame here? Superman oneshotted Majestic who was momentarily restrained by Hal. There was nothing to suggest it was a cheapshot.Not to mention DOS Doomsday almost killed the same Majestic, Apollo and Superman.
because you are obnoxious as hell. your original statement was "superman one shotted majestic"
how could any normal human being think this shows superman one shotting him, instead of cheap shotting him, is beyond me.
it's clearly 2 on 1.
it doesn't matter how strong that Doomsday is, Dreamwar is non canon to DC thus it doesn't scale to mainstream doomsday.
That's a different fight, Majestic was already clowned by Atom.
yeah makes sense. Majestic holds back in his second and third encounters, but for some reason magically go all out in his first.
eyes roll so hard eyeballs pop out
Actually he didn't. The blast koed Majestic and turned him into an amnesiac.
Eradicator knows he was about to get destroyed so he went self destruct suicide bombing. which didn't kill Majestic. That's clearly a win on Majestic. But you wouldn't be able to see that with S penis so far down your throat.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Crossovers aren't canon period, I thought, anyway?
almost all DC/Wildstorm crossover are canon
Wildstorm and DC aren't inter company crossover
wildstorm is part of dc multiverse and was earth 50 during pre52
events like majestic coming to dc earth or captain atom going to the wildstorm earth are all canon as they impact the characters' main history and affect the continuity
not in the case of dreamwar of course since it was a dream.
