Originally posted by lawest9
Alright...........
Don’t listen to Carver.
H/P DD= OWAW DD, that version of DD was only killed by one thing, and that was Entropy itself.
In H/P, Wave rider had to teleport DD to the beginning of time itself, where the Big Bang was about to go off. We thought he died, but we later found out that in OWAW, Brainiac travel to that set point and time and rescued DD.
DD was such a beast in OWAW, he, like Superman were tearing about probes left and right, and he was stopped when Imperiex blast him with Entropy itself.
Never read that New Krypton arc, so I can’t talk which DD that was that got killed by the Kryptonians.
Before Superman was amped, he was a mid-tier and canonically weaker than regular Superman. So we have no idea how powerful Superman with the mother box is except that he lost to HP Doomsday, who has zero planet busting feats
Superman alone beat DD Rex, who has all stats and powers of HP DD, but also gained consciousness.
Superman fought Braniac for at least an hour and Braniac is still totally unharmed after all of his hits, then he gets hit by a car (that he saw coming mind you) and is seriously hurt by it and unable to push it off himself.
The only "amp" Superman had was:
* Some new gear thanks to mother box
* Armor with large gaps in it and no feats to suggest how useful it was
Superman said that in DoS, he = DD, so if DD is stronger, he will definitely lose. And DD was having issues with putting down Superman.
writer of the story Dan Jurgens claimed that Superman is well above Darkseid in power. We both know it's not true and that it is the other way around. He kinda proves it when that same Doomsday failed to put Superman down, and the best thing he was able to do is break his arm. And that Superman was actually weaker than the strongest unamped version of Post-Crisis Superman, due to the fact that he has yet to receive training from Mongul II to fight against Imperiex and unlock his full power.
Originally posted by Galan007
Same character; same powerset.H/P Doomsday = DD Wars Doomsday = OWAW Doomsday.
There is also Doomsday Wars or Brainiac Doomsday, who is for some reason considered to be the same version of Doomsday as the one seen in Hunter-Prey, so I might as well bring him up as well. He had like two or three fights against Superman as well and whole it was pretty clear than he is the stronger one out of the two (just like in Hunter-Prey story), he wasn't able to put Clark down during their first two fights. And that means a lot because Clark was concerned about Lana's baby while Doomsday was attacking him.
When he wasn't concerned about the baby however, he was able to blitz Doomsday and even make him bleed with a punch. Not that he was going to beat Doomsday, but I think it was worth mentioning. Brainiac Doomsday also defeated the JLA but again, he has way more showings against Superman. Based on consistent showing he is not a JLA Teambuster. More like Superman+ level character.
Doomsday Wars was also written by Jurgens, who also stated that Superman would give Doomsday a way better fight if he wasn't concerned about Lana's baby, which actually happened at the end of the story and yes, he gave him a good fight. I can see Hunter-Prey Doomsday beating Savage Hulk, but he failed to put Superman down in pretty much every fight he had with him. I don't see him surviving against casual planet buster with planetary durability and one of the most broken healing factors ever. As for Lexs statement Jurgens has stated in an interview the reason superman couldn't beat doomsday in hunter prey (or any of there fights) was because of upbringings. So that really isn't much different than what he wrote in hunter/prey to be honest. Jurgens has even gone on record and said superman and doomsday are roughly equivalent in power.
Originally posted by Proper_
Before Superman was amped, he was a mid-tier and canonically weaker than regular Superman. So we have no idea how powerful Superman with the mother box is except that he lost to HP Doomsday, who has zero planet busting feats
Superman alone beat DD Rex, who has all stats and powers of HP DD, but also gained consciousness.
Superman fought Braniac for at least an hour and Braniac is still totally unharmed after all of his hits, then he gets hit by a car (that he saw coming mind you) and is seriously hurt by it and unable to push it off himself.
The only "amp" Superman had was:
* Some new gear thanks to mother box
* Armor with large gaps in it and no feats to suggest how useful it was
Superman said that in DoS, he = DD, so if DD is stronger, he will definitely lose. And DD was having issues with putting down Superman.writer of the story Dan Jurgens claimed that Superman is well above Darkseid in power. We both know it's not true and that it is the other way around. He kinda proves it when that same Doomsday failed to put Superman down, and the best thing he was able to do is break his arm. And that Superman was actually weaker than the strongest unamped version of Post-Crisis Superman, due to the fact that he has yet to receive training from Mongul II to fight against Imperiex and unlock his full power.
Again with the same nonsense?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nonsense.Quite unironically, none of these Hulks do either except Grey Hulk.
Anyway Superman was far more powerful than Kyle Rayner who actually destroyed two planets and contained a supernova by then.
LMAO, what? That was a clone dummy.
Is this a serious argument?
Educate thyself comicvine poster.
Also the weakest Superman in canon, Byrne Superman was on the level of Thor/Hercules.
Any other version (DOS) is far above the likes of Thor and Hercules in terms of strength.
Originally posted by Galan007
[b]Section IV: H/P ("Hunter/Prey"😉 DoomsdayIt turns out that Superman was substantially amped when he battled H/P Doomsday--before he even acquired a Mother Box...
A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
http://imgur.com/afwas1f
http://imgur.com/rTviBRf
http://imgur.com/sIa6JDf
http://imgur.com/aifJIPm
http://imgur.com/f7Mln3d
http://imgur.com/UAFgRuW
http://imgur.com/nAPpc9q
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
__________Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...
"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!":
http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
__________Hamilton explains Superman's amp...
"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."
Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"
Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr
http://imgur.com/1Sb6SFT
__________His power increase was ambiguously alluded to during the H/P arc itself...
I'm better than before, too! Stronger.":
http://imgur.com/8cCM1Ii
__________However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...
"After his recovery, [Superman] was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
http://imgur.com/SuRu2czIn a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.
That is a huge testament to how f*cking powerful Doomsday was during that arc. FAR more powerful than I'd previously thought, tbh. [/B]
This is literally a copy paste of your earlier post.
Originally posted by Proper_
There is also Doomsday Wars or Brainiac Doomsday, who is for some reason considered to be the same version of Doomsday as the one seen in Hunter-Prey, so I might as well bring him up as well. He had like two or three fights against Superman as well and whole it was pretty clear than he is the stronger one out of the two (just like in Hunter-Prey story), he wasn't able to put Clark down during their first two fights. And that means a lot because Clark was concerned about Lana's baby while Doomsday was attacking him.
When he wasn't concerned about the baby however, he was able to blitz Doomsday and even make him bleed with a punch. Not that he was going to beat Doomsday, but I think it was worth mentioning. Brainiac Doomsday also defeated the JLA but again, he has way more showings against Superman. Based on consistent showing he is not a JLA Teambuster. More like Superman+ level character.
Doomsday Wars was also written by Jurgens, who also stated that Superman would give Doomsday a way better fight if he wasn't concerned about Lana's baby, which actually happened at the end of the story and yes, he gave him a good fight. I can see Hunter-Prey Doomsday beating Savage Hulk, but he failed to put Superman down in pretty much every fight he had with him. I don't see him surviving against casual planet buster with planetary durability and one of the most broken healing factors ever. As for Lexs statement Jurgens has stated in an interview the reason superman couldn't beat doomsday in hunter prey (or any of there fights) was because of upbringings. So that really isn't much different than what he wrote in hunter/prey to be honest. Jurgens has even gone on record and said superman and doomsday are roughly equivalent in power.
This is a whole bunch of nonsense. Doomsday beats JLA but it's not a teambuster because Superman!!!
This is amusing to say the least.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I found it.https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119717/6683015-8611744419-RCO01.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119717/6683016-4228064042-RCO01.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
What about it carter? That Brainiac was literally a human being without his shields.
You do know current Superman fought DOS Doomsday again with the aid of Wonder Woman and didnt do so well?. The same Doomsday that Byrne Superman defeated. Why do you keep mentioning his comparison between Thor, Hercules and Superman? It's not helping your argument.
Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.
Yeah HP series takes place way before Superman v2 #151-153
It's blatantly obvious that the Superman he fought in Doomsday Wars was an embarrassing low mid tier, but for some reason people think it's okay to act as if they can scale Doomsday off of Post-Crisis Supes' consistent power level. Not just Superman either, the same goes for the rest of the characters he fights, like there's people bringing up Cyborg Superman in this thread, but the Cyborg Supes that the Doomsday Clone defeated was knocked over by Nightwing, effortlessly had his core ripped out by Superman, and most importantly straight up split the clone in half with a bullrush first before the clone had his plot device adaption powers activate and became a Cyborg-Doomsday. It's absurd but people clearly have no intentions of stopping for whatever reason.
