Who is the most powerful Force User?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.

The superior training is supposedly moot due to the Dyad nonsense between them. He can do whatever she can (force healing), and her whatever he can (force mind control in Force Awakens before she had any training). I know its stupid, but that appears to be their explanation for her Mary Sueness.

I suppose it was better than them just going "well she has a vagina" as the explanation.

Which, in reality, is the explanation lol. I'm shocked there was no "midichlorian counts are always higher in females" explanation. "Women can give birth to new life so they can tap into the force in ways men can't!".

I am.

4 votes for Anakin😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.

Definitely not this

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
4 votes for Anakin😂

I didnt vote him but its not a ridiculous notion if you Watch the Mortis episodes of TCW.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Definitely not this

You can try arguing my points but

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you will lose

Please wait...

Palpatine is the most powerful. The only reason

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Rey beat Palpatine is because she was amped by all the Jedi. Kylo is just as powerful as she is. I’d say he’s even more powerful. He beat her in their lightsaber duel and recovered from Palpatine’s power drain before she did.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I didnt vote him but its not a ridiculous notion if you Watch the Mortis episodes of TCW.

You can try arguing my points but

Spoiler:
you will lose

😛

What points? There is zero evidence to take the side that Anakin is stronger than Sideous.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What points? There is zero evidence to take the side that Anakin is stronger than Sideous.

Mortis.

Like I said, I did not vote him, but there is an argument to be made that Anakin at his very peak was stronger.

Besides thats not what you disagreed with. You disagreed with my assessment (which is engrained in lore), that Skywalker potential is > Palpatine potential. Hence my logical conclusion from that Standard Kylo is > Standard Rey. So can you kindly explain which part of that are you disagreeing with and why.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.

The superior training is supposedly moot due to the Dyad nonsense between them. He can do whatever she can (force healing), and her whatever he can (force mind control in Force Awakens before she had any training). I know its stupid, but that appears to be their explanation for her Mary Sueness.

I don't think it works that way. Luke, for example, ended up being pretty weak.

I thought it was because the Force auto-leveled her to Kylo's level to achieve balance. That's what Snoke said in TLJ. It's dumb either way.

Originally posted by Psychotron
1)I don't think it works that way. Luke, for example, ended up being pretty weak.

2)I thought it was because the Force auto-leveled her to Kylo's level to achieve balance. That's what Snoke said in TLJ. It's dumb either way.

1) Was Luke weak? He defeated Vader after like 3-4 years of mostly training himself.

2) I think force auto-levelling up has been retconned by making her

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A Palpatine

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Palpatines granddaughter

And I believe their bond or Dyad between the 2 of them helped Rey learn to use the force faster to keep up with Kylos level of skill and force mastery.

Come on, go rewatch his last fight with Vader. For NO REASON Vader just drops to one knee. He wanted to die.

Originally posted by Surtur
Come on, go rewatch his last fight with Vader. For NO REASON Vader just drops to one knee. He wanted to die.

Bad choreography isnt an excuse. But hey Luke was in a rage.

Although he was beating him earlier as well.

I just don't see any logical reason for him to drop to one knee. I don't get it.

Re-watch it, it's not even like Luke strikes him super hard and he immediately goes down. It is a conscious choice lol.

Honestly it was just bad choreography. I wouldnt look too much into it.

He wanted to die. He wanted to either rule the Galaxy with Luke, or joint Luke in destroying the Emperor. But there wasnt a middle ground where he was suicidal and wanted Luke to kill him and join the Emperor without him.

Just watched the new Star Wars and i'll go with Rey with the amp and Yoda if its normal settings.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Was Luke weak? He defeated Vader after like 3-4 years of mostly training himself.

2) I think force auto-levelling up has been retconned by making her

Spoiler:
A Palpatine

. Now I take Snokes meaning in TLJ as a powerful Lightsider would rise up to take on Kylo. He thought it meant Luke would come out of hiding. But instead the Force chose

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Palpatines granddaughter

to embrace the Light side and challenge Kylo.

And I believe their bond or Dyad between the 2 of them helped Rey learn to use the force faster to keep up with Kylos level of skill and force mastery.

1) It could be argued that Vader was just holding back. I mean, I thought Luke she be the strongest of the Jedi, but TLJ kinda ruined that by having him die from creating an illusion. Meanwhile, Snoke apparently destroyed his temple with lightning from light years away without breaking a sweat, and Snoke is just a creation of Palpatine.

2)Eh, I guess. I don't remember anyone saying that their bond was what allowed her to learn so fast, though it would be a nice retcon. I'm not going to rewatch the movie to find out because I don't care about Disney Star Wars anymore.

Originally posted by Psychotron
1) It could be argued that Vader was just holding back. I mean, I thought Luke she be the strongest of the Jedi, but TLJ kinda ruined that by having him die from creating an illusion. Meanwhile, Snoke apparently destroyed his temple with lightning from light years away without breaking a sweat, and Snoke is just a creation of Palpatine.

2)Eh, I guess. I don't remember anyone saying that their bond was what allowed her to learn so fast, though it would be a nice retcon. I'm not going to rewatch the movie to find out because I don't care about Disney Star Wars anymore.

1) Could be, but its all we have to go on for Luke. That said even if Vader was holding back, he can still defend himself against Lukes onslaught, so still a good feat for a guy who essentially trained himself in a few years.
As for Snoke, he was killed pretty easily by Kylo once he got the chance. And if we are going by comics, Luke shook a Star Destroyer without even realising and that was pre-ESB. The Kylo comic also stated Luke screwed Snoke up pretty bad.

2) I may be giving the films way too much credit. Youre right they didnt specifically say that. But im just making sense of the info weve been given. But JJ did imply the question of why Rey learned so quick would be answered.

Originally posted by Psychotron
1) It could be argued that Vader was just holding back.

Correct - Vader was holding back.

The novel The Courtship Of Princess Leia already settled that debate long ago.

Plus, for people who want to argue that Vader wasn't holding back - Vader's TK was Yoda-level and he could have just crushed Luke to death if he wanted to.

With that being obvious, it's very obvious Vader was holding back - and Luke said as much, years later.

Originally posted by Psychotron

I'm not going to rewatch the movie to find out because I don't care about Disney Star Wars anymore.

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Held back? From what?