Santa Claus vs Superman

Originally posted by lawest9
Your question doesn't make a lot of sense, your question was answered but as with a lot of people when that answer is not w3hst you want to hear then you sccuse the person that you asked then question of not answering it, also you tried to set an idea of what my personal beliefs are of my God based on a yes or no scenario, you claim a form of innocence in your conversation but you are obviously seeking to play games with people.

You accused JBL of wrongfully misrepresenting your beliefs but your confessed unbelief of the Lord and Savior as Christ and the creator God reveals so much about you, so I'll bite...........by asking you this, how do you believe that everything you around you in existence came to be?

I’ll take a quick break to reply.

We obviously won’t agree on my question so I’ll leave it there. But I honestly wasn’t trying to trick you or corner you. I in my mind was asking a genuine question.

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My point with regards to the JBL comment is that from the religious side of the argument because of what I’m saying I must be an atheist or that perceived (atheists do this and say that etc). But I could just as easily have been a Buddhist who rejects the notion of divinity being exclusive to one being rather than being a shared property of all life. I don’t believe in a particular god. But I’m not the type of atheist you or JBL might be imagining.

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I wasn’t sure of your wording here but I’m guessing you’re saying how do I believe everything came into existence. The Big Bang I think is a really difficult question. I don’t know if I can necessarily believe it just popped into existence and that was it. I always think of this completely random and probably scientifically incorrect theory that it was a black hole that had become so massive it sucked in everything in the previous universe till the point it exploded (again I’m not saying this is scientifically accurate in any way at all, I just like to think of stuff like this).

The point is none of us can go back in time to see what happened. Through the knowledge and technology developed by scientists we (though this might have since changed) can trace back to a millionth of a second after the Big Bang. And presumably we can’t analyse pre Big Bang because time/matter was not a concept that existed at that point (at least not we as humans would understand it).

In “short” there may be a god, there may not. Nobody is ever going to be able to know for 100% definite. Maybe when we die we will find ourselves in front of the gods of the Egyptians or the Mayans. Or maybe we just fade into nothingness. Just as you can’t remember what was before you were born you wouldn’t know of anything after you die.

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The mind is another interesting topic and consciousness. They beer more to the noumenal but we still can acknowledge a partial physicality to them in that we know it at least has something to do with the brain.

Anything that is a literal noumenon is impossible to comment on. And anyone who does with 100% cast iron “proof” is not being honest.

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But that’s all I have to say now. We had a good discussion. And now I’ll go back to my guitar. Thanks.

That should be *veer not beer.

@ One Angry Scot

Thank you for taking the time out to respond, I can sense the sincerity on your words as to your stance on creation, God and how things came to be, I'll keep my response short, as you are likely sincere in what you believe or don't believe rather, we'll have to agree to disagree, you see as long as I've been old enough to remember beginning as a very young child, I have always had a very strong sense of something unseen that was far greater than myself, of it wasn't until young adulthood that God drew me into his truth and placed me where I gould could hear and learn the true Word of God that was preached to me in it's fullness, but being a young child I always sensed that there was something different about myself from most other people, at the time I didn't understand what it was and any knowledge of God that I had at that time was what my parents and great aunt taught me, it wasn't until years later that I discovered that their own knowledge was very limited, my great aunt ( who was like a 2nd mother to me ) had pictures of a soft looking pale white skenned Jesus with long hair ( in short, the hippie appearance of the European depiction of Jesus ).

In short as this post will turn out to be longer than I intended, I never had any problem believing in the existence of the almighty even before I knew too much about as it relates from the Bible, from my early childhood on up I know now that it was his spirit that always inwardly calmed me that everything was going to be alright during the most stressful of situations, this is why I cannot look at sll of creation around me and not acknowledge within myself that something greater than myselfis responsible for it all, therefore God/Christ existence is not an "perhaps he exists or perhaps not", I'm a witness that he is real in my soul as he has rescued me and kept me alive through these many years through illnesses and dangerous situations that should have left me dead many times.

But it is up to God and God alone to work with your heart and guide you into his truth.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
That should be *veer not beer.

You ruined your entire post by "correcting" it...

Wow... the conversations in here are deep.

Not as deep as those we have in the Church of Gamma, my dearest Pope.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I think we need to tweet the authors of the bible about this... They’ll be able to give us the answers.

My handbook has Jesus at 5 for fighting ability (with a whip and tax collectors), and 7 for energy projection (death command, as with the fig tree, matter manip like with the loaves and transmuting water into wine). His speed is low street, but strength level is probably high, due to him doing all that walking and being a carpenter.

He does have speed travelling speed and invisibility feats after resurrection

Well Lobo beat the shit out of Santa so...

This surprisingly didn't get as bad as I thought it would. And I feel like we are doing a disservice to the whole conversation by only using one deity. Is there any Muslims or Buddhists, I would love to hear their take.

As for the thread itself, someone pointed out that Lobo has beaten Santa, common sense would dictate Superman could as well, but Lobo has done things that I feel they would never portray Superman as able to do, cartoonist shit like roll a city into a ball and whatnot. So I honestly feel like Lobo, and other consistent 4th wall breakers is far better equipped to fight particular opponents than the average portrayal of Clark.

Superman needed Santa's help btw when Neron took over the North Pole (according to Plastic Man).

Well, Superman should need help in certain scenarios, every character should, anything less ruins a character in my opinion, and like I admitted to before I never really disliked the character himself, its how people on here and comicvine portray him and refuse to acknowledge he has any type of limitation at all. There was a Dr. Fate vs. Superman thread on the vine and people were legit trying to say that Superman was gonna teach himself magic in the middle of a fight with Dr. Date and then out ****ing spellcast him. You just don't have to do all that

Lmao "teach himself magic". Yeah no lol. Not even abhi would seriously argue that.

Anyway, I know religion is a touchy subject and I sincerely hope nobody gets to out of whack over finding out others are atheist or whatnot. I'm agnostic, and I just don't buy the big bang. They have never stated where any of the matter came from in the first place and it simply does not make sense. The best I can guess is it came from another universe dying or something.

But I honestly stopped caring, whether God's or real or not, I am going to conduct myself in a certain manner regardless, whether it's good or bad is irrelevant, it's who I am and that is not gonna change. I sincerely hope when we die maybe we learn how the whole damn thing unfolds but if not, well to ****in late I guess

What a great thread this has become. This should be a beacon of hope to religious discussion here and abroad.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What a great thread this has become. This should be a beacon of hope to religious discussion here and abroad.

jesus

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My handbook has Jesus at 5 for fighting ability (with a whip and tax collectors), and 7 for energy projection (death command, as with the fig tree, matter manip like with the loaves and transmuting water into wine). His speed is low street, but strength level is probably high, due to him doing all that walking and being a carpenter.

Golden Age DS.