Armed Patrons kill gunman in church

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I also don't think a nationwide gun ban alone would be effective. It's not just the guns themselves, after all...our people are f*cked. Too many are afflicted by mental health issues, and desperation from poverty or from the fear of becoming impoverished due to their personal circumstances.

Do you think a federal gun prohibition law would be effective in significantly dropping gun homicides, gun violence, and homicides in general if the government also enacted the following?

*generous gun buybacks
*universal healthcare, including mental health care
*legalization and regulation of recreational drugs
*shift law enforcement focus from drugs to violent crime and weapons trafficking
*retraining law enforcement on the use of non-lethal force vs lethal force, with emphasis on non-lethal force
*increased prison sentences for gun crimes
*shift in prison focus from punishment to rehabilitation

No.

Because Glasgow (which hit a peak in 2005 - was called the murder capital of the Western World) proved that gun bans do not work. If people want to kill each other, they will kill each other.

The fact that Japan has any gun homicides should be proof of this (despite their homicide rates staying the same before both of their major gun restrictions went into place, both times).

Also, if you remove black on black violence from the United States violence crime data, the US has better violent crime rates than most first world countries. The gun debate is a dishonest debate to begin with. We do not have a gun violence problem in the US: we have a black on black violence problem in the US. But that's an very uncomfortable conversation for leftists and progressives: actually saving black lives is inconvenient.

Originally posted by Surtur
To be honest, seeing the title of the thread didn't make me think anything other than that armed patrons killed a gunman. I recognize that headlines and thread titles can't get all the details in.

And I disagree about your better headline. Maybe I'd agree if you changed "church security" to "armed patrons". But you probably wouldn't like that and I suspect I know why: it kills a narrative you don't like. You don't like the good guy with the gun narrative. I bet even the phrase "church volunteers" instead of "church security" wouldn't be good enough, amirite? So when you phrase it as "church security" it's disconnected. It conjures up the image of hired help as opposed to just locals so invested in the community they decided to volunteer to help protect their church. Saying "security" could make it less about a good guy with a gun and more about just people doing their jobs, but no these were volunteers. They *were* good guys with guns who stopped a bad guy.

Been a while since the shooting I'm sure we'd hear democrats hooting and hollering if a lax gun law made it possible for the gunman to get a gun.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
No. Security on its own isn't misleading, but it wouldn't bother me if they emphasized it was an armed security team formed by volunteers from the church congregation. Referring to them as armed patrons is still fine, but it does omit the fact that they are a trained and organized group specifically put together to stand up to the threat of violent people, like the would-be mass murderer they encountered this time.

I think "armed patrons" is fine and you could find out more details about them in the article that follows. Like that they were volunteers, local members of the church, etc.

Calling them security is technically true just like if a kid takes a gun to school and blows his brains out in the bathroom it's technically a school shooting, but it's not the kind of situation one thinks of when they hear the term "school shooting". The term, in most people, will conjure up a situation of a student with a gun harming others not himself. Likewise when people hear about armed security it does not immediately conjure up images up locals volunteering to help out.

Idol is so pissed the gunman was killed it’s almost comical

He’s so caught up on the word armed patrons. Which by the way, they were.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Idol is so pissed the gunman was killed it’s almost comical

Dumb ass.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Idol is so pissed the gunman was killed it’s almost comical

At no point did he say or imply that.

That seems to be a subset of a subset of people!

I remember this thread and I remember folk getting butthurt good guys with guns saved the day. Good times.

I'm sure they will be relieved this isn't a new instance of the narrative being shattered, but rather just a thread necro.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Yep, I guess you got me... I wish he'd killed more...

Dumb ass.

Ignore the troll, a coward hiding behind false accounts has no room to talk.

Originally posted by cdtm
a coward hiding behind false accounts has no room to talk.

Shit, who has Putinbot threatened this time?!

Originally posted by Surtur
Shit, who has Putinbot threatened this time?!

I miss Whirly.

Originally posted by Surtur
I remember this thread and I remember folk getting butthurt good guys with guns saved the day. Good times.

I'm sure they will be relieved this isn't a new instance of the narrative being shattered, but rather just a thread necro.

^ Necro'd a thread to lie and pretend win (again) because Trump's in the shitter right now. Too funny

Didn't lie or necro anything. You can see someone else responded before me.

Originally posted by Surtur
Didn't necro anything

You said this is a "necro", dummy.

To your edit: Yes you did. Stop socking, Surt

That insane group of cult members overpowered a man who was only exercising his right to bear arms and defend himself.

😂

These stories always try to hype up the good news to downplay the bad news.

thanks,
John

Originally posted by Johnfinvin
These stories always try to hype up the good news to downplay the bad news.

thanks,
John

I don't agree.

However, I think stories like these get far more attention than the stories about shootings that should get attention.

Young black men are still dying in large numbers to violence in the US. And very few people seem to care. Even fewer want to do anything about it.

^ what suggestions do you have for fixing that? Besides Gun control, that's obvious. This is a pretty difficult problem to solve.