Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Whatever type of energy it is mystical or not, i thought they equated it to the max energy he could expend in one blow?
He is saying it's not the blow that counts... it's the mystical energy released when Hercules punch. Hes not equating it to physical strength, hes saying it's the mystic energy released when Hercules punch.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Except Herc, as a mythological person, radiates energy that is measured in Hercs:
And? They are saying back when Herc was the Immortal Hercules, he was at 1 Herc. Then, when he was depowered to Mortal Hercules, he was LESS than that. I don't understand what this has to do with anything. They are saying it is as magical as 1.3 Immortal Herculeses (the old awesome Hercules), not 1.3 Mortal Herculeses (the version that was running around Brooklyn).....
Did you genuinely misunderstand that? [/B]
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Whatever type of energy it is mystical or not, i thought they equated it to the max energy he could expend in one blow?
Not quite.
All mythological/mystical objects/people emit a special kind of radiation. That radiation is measured in Hercs (just like you or I emit body heat). This happens no matter what we're doing.
When Herc punches, he emits MORE of this radiation. The maximum amount is then = 1 Herc.
But just like your body heat has nothing to do with the amount you can lift in the gym/force you can punch, Hercs aren't a measure of force. It is a measure of how magical a being is.
So all the characters who were splashed by the wishing well, for example, all started to radiate Hercs. Even when they were just standing there - I mean look, Jennifer Walters in her HUMAN form is restraining Monica, despite her being 0.53 Hercs:
Monica Rappacini:
Cho (and Strange, but I didn't want to muddy the waters):
Red She-Hulk:
And yes, Hulk:
Even Fin Fang Foom had it.
In short, it ISN'T what people were saying, which was the max TOTAL amount of energy at the end of Herc's fist as he punched someone. It's a passive radiation energy that is always there if you're magical - like heat energy radiating off your body. It's ONE part of your total energy - which is unquantifiable.
Dark... the Hercs from the wishing well is measuring the power from the splash they received from the wishing well. I'm surprised it ranked that low since 1 wish can change the entire world. Example, a wish was capable of bringing the entire Dark dimension back to life, including the planet and the moon Hulk destroyed along with the above Herald characters. That's just from the splash Hulk was hit with. May I ask, how many Hercs do you think the well should generate? ZERO?
Originally posted by carver9
Dark... the Hercs from the wishing well is measuring the power from the splash they received from the wishing well. I'm surprised it ranked that low since 1 wish can change the entire world. Example, a wish was capable of bringing the entire Dark dimension back to life, including the planet and the moon Hulk destroyed along with the above Herald characters. That's just from the splash Hulk was hit with. May I ask, how many Hercs do you think the well should generate? ZERO?
I know it is....but like I said, Monica is being restrained by Jennifer even though she's 0.53 Hercs. She's powerful in mystical wishing terms, sure.....but physically? A normal human is holding her down. Despite being half as magical as Herc.
You don't know how many Hercs Hulk etc had when they wished in the Dark Dimension. All we know is that he only had 0.21 Hercs left when he came back. He could have had 2, 3, 5, 10,000 Hercs before he went in, powering his wish.
The Hercs is a measurement of power. I'm sure we can measure Hercs using DC Captain Marvel even though he is a mystical being. How many Hercs is Captain Marvel? I would say probably 1.2. Even though she was restrained she could have easily made a wish and reversed that. Superman is 1.8 Hercs, Doctor Strange is 2 Hercs, Galactus is 100 Hercs... it's not difficult.
Originally posted by carver9
The Hercs is a measurement of power. I'm sure we can measure Hercs using DC Captain Marvel even though he is a mystical being. How many Hercs is Captain Marvel? I would say probably 1.2. Even though she was restrained she could have easily made a wish and reversed that. Superman is 1.8 Hercs, Doctor Strange is 2 Hercs, Galactus is 100 Hercs... it's not difficult.
No.... because Hercs measure magical radiation. Which isn't related to physical power. Like how a human can restrain someone with 0.53 Hercs. Superman is NOT 1.8 times as magical as Hercules, he's ZERO Hercs. Captain Marvel is also ZERO Hercs.
Galactus (ignoring when he ate magic lol) is also ZERO Hercs.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85if she had half of hercules power a normal person should never be able to restrain her.
I know it is....but like I said, Monica is being restrained by Jennifer even though she's 0.53 Hercs. She's powerful in mystical wishing terms, sure.....but physically? A normal human is holding her down. Despite being half as magical as Herc.You don't know how many Hercs Hulk etc had when they wished in the Dark Dimension. All we know is that he only had 0.21 Hercs left when he came back. He could have had 2, 3, 5, 10,000 Hercs before he went in, powering his wish.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite.All mythological/mystical objects/people emit a special kind of radiation. That radiation is measured in Hercs (just like you or I emit body heat). This happens no matter what we're doing.
When Herc punches, he emits MORE of this radiation. The maximum amount is then = 1 Herc.
But just like your body heat has nothing to do with the amount you can lift in the gym/force you can punch, Hercs aren't a measure of force. It is a measure of how magical a being is.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I get wut ure saying, but it does look like pak wrote it this way to dumb down his nonsensical idea. It looks like he's literally trying to explain it in layman's' terms hence the mention of hulk and strength.
Though it is measuring "mystical energy", he is equating it to max energy output of Hercules in a single blow. Herc is mythological so his energy output is mystical in nature, but it's still related to his physical ability in some way. As for the the magical objects and others giving off mystic energy, it was a nonsensical way to attach this herc concept to more esoteric sources. Again just so people can understand how dangerous or powerful something is when it came to magic sources.
To me it is literally one big wack off to his pet character put into dumbed down explanation.
So someone with 0.53 of Herc's max TOTAL energy output can be restrained by a normal human?
WBH when he came out of the Dark Dimension was still only 0.21 of Herc? .
A Herc IS slightly related to physical activity, like I said- just like heat energy is increased when you exert yourself when you punch. But it's only a small part of the total energy, and like you said, it's a measure of magic, not physical force. Completely agree.
So saying something is 133.45 Hercs, DOESN'T mean it's 133.45 times Herc's strongest punch. It's a measure of how MAGICAL that creature is. Doesn't take away from the showing, just that it's a magical durability NOT a physical durability showing.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So someone with 0.53 of Herc's max TOTAL energy output can be restrained by a normal human?WBH when he came out of the Dark Dimension was still only 0.21 of Herc? .
A Herc IS slightly related to physical activity, like I said- just like heat energy is increased when you exert yourself when you punch. But it's only a small part of the total energy, and like you said, it's a measure of magic, not physical force. Completely agree.
So saying something is 133.45 Hercs, DOESN'T mean it's 133.45 times Herc's strongest punch. It's a measure of how MAGICAL that creature is. Doesn't take away from the showing, just that it's a magical durability NOT a physical durability showing.
Wbh and .21 as in the power of wishing well on him?
Anyways, i think he was basically spelling it out when pak coined the term herc. There was no need to even give it this term, not even remotely unless u are taking something(strength/power) that is defining from said character(Hercules) and applying it to other threats however nonsensical it looks, if u didnt mean to portray it so outwardly like pak did.
So apparently, we are meant to believe that someone with 0.53 Hercs:
Can be easily restrained by a human:
A human? Yes, as Strange says:
We are meant to believe that Fin Fang Foom, a guy who BEFORE he was amped, was already a threat to Hulk, and despite being SIGNIFICANTLY amped....
....was still *only* 17 Hercs:
And most importantly....THIS Hulk:
Wasn't even 1 Herc:
Apparently, according to Carver, Monica Rappacini is almost TWICE as powerful as AMPED WBH, lmao.
And Jennifer, stuck in her human form, restrained her.