Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the thing. You're misremembering the scan. It DOESNT say the full power.Its the maximum amount of energy expended. Slight, but VERY important difference.
Because two panels before that, Cosimo explains that the energy it measures is that radiated by mythological beings. you and Carv are the ones walking away with an incomplete notion.
In short: it measures the maximum amount of mystical energy.
Hope was a mystical abstract entity that was measured to be 133.5 Hercs.
1 Herc is the amount of force that Hercules can expend in 1 punch.
Hope as a mystical being hit the Hulk in the intestines that registered physically to be him getting hit by 133.5 Hercs of force. The assault registered as a physical attack regardless of the type of energy being used, which clearly affected the Hulk on a physical level.
Originally posted by Stoic
Hope was a mystical abstract entity that was measured to be 133.5 Hercs.1 Herc is the amount of force that Hercules can expend in 1 punch.
Hope as a mystical being hit the Hulk in the intestines that registered physically to be him getting hit by 133.5 Hercs of force. The assault registered as a physical attack regardless of the type of enery being used, which clearly affected the Hulk on a physical level.
I feel like I'm going in circles.
1 Herc is the amount of mystical energy expended by Hercules in 1 punch. Its not the total amount of force. Or even the total amount of energy. Its a PART of the total energy he expends. 5%/10%50%, whatever.
Its not the equivalent of 133Hercs worth of energy pushing Galactus over. Which is what Carv is trying to say.
Originally posted by Stoic
1 Herc is the amount of force that Hercules can expend in one blow. The word blow makes it very much physical regardless of the energy being used.
Its a part of it. Just like sound energy is given off by me punching someone. But that sound energy is not the total amount, but only a portion.
Originally posted by Stoic
1 Herc is the amount of force that Hercules can expend in one blow. The word blow makes it very much physical regardless of the energy being used.
Originally posted by Stoic
You are.How does this pertain to the Probes and the idea behind WB Hulk's power yields, toughness, and various other powers?
Stoic, this is the original post I replied to. Read it through.
Originally posted by carver9
Magnon is clueless about anything Hulk related (a lot of you are, sorry). Hulk lungs withstood the full power of 133 Hercules. ONE Hercules had enough power to topple Zeus and Galactus. Hulk withstood one hundred and thirty three levels of that power. That alone is Abstract level. That's just one ft alone.
Ask Carv what that feat pertains to Imperiex, lmao. I was responding to that post. HE brought it up, no mention of Wendigo, Bi Beast etc.
Originally posted by Magnon
Can you not read DS's scans? One herc is the maximum MYSTICAL energy Hercules can expend in one blow. For comparison, Hulk's STRONGEST punch would record as 0 hercs, exactly. (unless he was externally amped by some mystical means)
What do you mean as zero Herc's. The Hulk was directly compared to Hercules in terms of power yield. It isn't me that isn't getting it.
Originally posted by Magnon
Can you not read DS's scans? One herc is the maximum MYSTICAL energy Hercules can expend in one blow. For comparison, Hulk's STRONGEST punch would record as 0 hercs, exactly. (unless he was externally amped by some mystical means)
When was the last time that you recall Hercules throwing mystical punches? The word equivalent is there for the purpose of measuring Hope on a very physical level. Not for measuring Hercules on a mystical level.
I made mention that I thought that Carver's understanding was off as well DS.
Here they compared 133 Hercs to Hulks strength...
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/48993477/SmartSelect_20200104-125508_Chrome.jpg.html
Originally posted by carver9
Here they compared 133 Hercs to Hulks strength...https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/48993477/SmartSelect_20200104-125508_Chrome.jpg.html
Originally posted by Stoic
When was the last time that you recall Hercules throwing mystical punches? The word equivalent is there for the purpose of measuring Hope on a very physical level. Not for measuring Hercules on a mystical level.I made mention that I thought that Carver's understanding was off as well DS.
And this is why I am going around in circles - because neither of you are reading my scans.
The page prior to Carver's scan:
Full page, if you want to read it:
https://i.postimg.cc/2S0LV5ZW/RCO005-1469444904-1.jpg
States clearly what Hercs measure. The energy radiated by mythological entities/objects.
So when Hercules punches, he will radiate 1 Herc's worth of energy. He's strong, so of course he radiates a LOT of energy - but it has NOT his greatest lifting/punching feat's worth of physical energy, any more than the heat I radiate from my body is indicative of how much I can punch/lift.
Using my route, 1 Herc=1 Maximum, all out punch from Hercules.
Using Dark approach, 1 Herc=1 MYSTICAL attack from Hercules. Since Hercules doesnt generate mystical forces/energy...1 Herc=nothing.
The machine that dark is referencing was used to find Hulk, Wendigo, etc... and the only reason they was not located was due to them being in the dark dimension. None of them are mystical beings.
Wrong.
Originally posted by carver9
Using my route, 1 Herc=1 Maximum, all out punch from Hercules.
Using Dark approach, 1 Herc=1 MYSTICAL attack from Hercules. Since Hercules doesnt generate mystical forces/energy...1 Herc=nothing.
My approach is that 1 Herc is the amount of mystical energy radiating from Herc, as defined by Cosimo/Greg Pak. Hercules ALWAYS radiates this, just like I always radiate heat energy.
The machine that dark is referencing was used to find Hulk, Wendigo, etc... and the only reason they was not located was due to them being in the dark dimension. None of them are mystical beings.
I have already addressed this:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.Firstly, please provide proof it's the same?
Secondly, she was tracking their mystic energy. Oh wait, none of them are? So why track mystic energy?
Answer: they had mystic wishing well water on them, which is what she was tracking:
I mean, Red She Hulk isn't mystical either:
And you're right, Hulk isn't mystical. BUuuuuut:
This is getting embarrassing. Hercs are a measure of mystical energy. We are told this time and time again.
Wendigo/etc all were being tracked by their mystical energy which came from the Wishing Well water that was splashed onto them. Just like Hulk/Red She Hulk had Hercs, and Amadeus etc:
They all had the water on them, which was what she was tracking.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... so in this scan, when they say "it's as powered up as 1.3 of you, the old you", what do they mean by that? Lol
They meant that Baba Yaga's house was as magical as 1.3 Hercs. It radiated as much mystical energy as 1.3 Hercs would radiate when he punched.
Just...if it is difficult to understand, instead of 'mystic energy reading', replace it with 'heat energy reading'. The amount of heat that you, carver9, would radiate from your body when you punched someone is 1 Carver. When I am gaming on my phone, I get a heat energy reading of 1.3 Carvers - IOW, it gives off as much heat as 1.3 of you do when you are punching.
Originally posted by carver9
Also, are you saying he radiates more mystical energy when he punches?
Again, imagine it says heat energy. You radiate it all the time. When you exert yourself, you radiate more. So yes, I am saying he does, as per the comic.
It said it's as POWERED UP as you, you're old you. This is common sense what they are saying. Another question, because 1, we already have conformation they measured Hercs using Hercules FULL PUNCH and the maximum output from that punch. Then we have confirmation that 1.3 Hercs is as powered up as ONE Hercules. Next question, since you're saying Hercules punches are mystical and we've seen what mystical attacks does to someone like Superman, can Hercules one punch KO Superman? Dont say we're getting off track since you've mentioned numerous of characters in this topic.
