Yes, even if constant, its still PIS. Because speed is a broken power that writers can't do properly - same way all streets don't disintegrate into pink mist when a herald finger flicks them.
PIS doesn't necessarily mean one off 'oh look Spiderman beats Firelord' events.
I can see it being an issue if we argue suspension of belief. So mutants being an example - mutations in DNA giving you power of magnetism is PIS, for example, but we allow it - because otherwise the whole thing falls over.
But with speed? Either Hulk and Spiderman have faster reflexes than Quicksilver, or QS WANTS to run into that clothesline, or....it's lazy writing by the writer so QS' opponents can be a threat.
Saying it's his MO means that you think his fighting tactics is a conscious 'I will ram my face into his arm'.
Which is extreme CIS, and he's not that stupid. Hence, PIS.
We certainly could lowball the shit out of speedsters all day, all night... but this message board is giving us a very specific example on how to interpret the "full capacity" rule:
For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, even if constant, its still PIS. Because speed is a broken power that writers can't do properly - same way all streets don't disintegrate into pink mist when a herald finger flicks them.PIS doesn't necessarily mean one off 'oh look Spiderman beats Firelord' events.
I can see it being an issue if we argue suspension of belief. So mutants being an example - mutations in DNA giving you power of magnetism is PIS, for example, but we allow it - because otherwise the whole thing falls over.
But with speed? Either Hulk and Spiderman have faster reflexes than Quicksilver, or QS WANTS to run into that clothesline, or....it's lazy writing by the writer so QS' opponents can be a threat.
Saying it's his MO means that you think his fighting tactics is a conscious 'I will ram my face into his arm'.
Which is extreme CIS, and he's not that stupid. Hence, PIS.
Speed is broken yes but so is being lucky which translates to low level reality manipulation. your point?
Again your point?
QS is a showboat. Same way say Johnny Storm is...he telegraphs his attacks even if they are hundreds of mph. He wants his opponents to know what he's doing (such as the Mr. X feat). Then while monologuing about just how fast he is he gets clocked. Happens damn near every fight he's in. It's not pis. It's a character flaw.
Hulk, Spiderman don't have faster reflexes but they do have fast reflexes. They will eventually tag him when he uses his predictable pattern of pummeling you in a circle. It's his MO because that's what he does time after time.. you're arguing powerset.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Domino doesn't have the super-strength to pull it off, anyway...
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Speed is broken yes but so is being lucky which translates to low level reality manipulation. your point?Again your point?
QS is a showboat. Same way say Johnny Storm is...he telegraphs his attacks even if they are hundreds of mph. He wants his opponents to know what he's doing (such as the Mr. X feat). Then while monologuing about just how fast he is he gets clocked. Happens damn near every fight he's in. It's not pis. It's a character flaw.
Hulk, Spiderman don't have faster reflexes but they do have fast reflexes. They will eventually tag him when he uses his predictable pattern of pummeling you in a circle. It's his MO because that's what he does time after time.. you're arguing powerset.
My point is that being lucky is not a dependable sure fire thing that you're making it out to be. Speed is. You either have it or you don't, whereas luck..... sometimes works out, and sometimes she loses. Probabilities shift in her favour, but they don't become 1 for her.
Again my point:. YOU tried to make out that PIS was to be ignored if it happened regularly. My point was that this was wrong. Can't be that hard to understand?
Because they have the durability to eventually tag him.
Domino doesn't. Full Capacity means he clocks her, unless she has a way to negate his speed. And her latest comics have her needing to focus and center herself as Shang Chi taught her, which QS wouldn't give her the chance to.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point is that being lucky is not a dependable sure fire thing that you're making it out to be. Speed is. You either have it or you don't, whereas luck..... sometimes works out, and sometimes she loses. Probabilities shift in her favour, but they don't become 1 for her.Again my point:. YOU tried to make out that PIS was to be ignored if it happened regularly. My point was that this was wrong. Can't be that hard to understand?
Because they have the durability to eventually tag him.
Domino doesn't. Full Capacity means he clocks her, unless she has a way to negate his speed. And her latest comics have her needing to focus and center herself as Shang Chi taught her, which QS wouldn't give her the chance to.
I disagree as it's more to it than being lucky. Guns misfire, she slips before he lands a punch effectively avoiding said punch, it's not Fail-Safe because she never knows the outcome but it's ever present.
Never called it pis.
Not everyone who's tagged him needed durability, Cyclops for example.
Her latest comics has a mutant who was tampering with her powers, turning them all the way up and all the way down. That's why she needed Shang.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I disagree as it's more to it than being lucky. Guns misfire, she slips before he lands a punch effectively avoiding said punch, it's not Fail-Safe because she never knows the outcome but it's ever present.
But only when she is in mortal danger. As I showed in my scan.
Never called it pis.
Not everyone who's tagged him needed durability, Cyclops for example.
Her latest comics has a mutant who was tampering with her powers, turning them all the way up and all the way down. That's why she needed Shang.
But my point was, to use her power effectively in combat, she needs to:
If too much happens (like, say, being hit by multiple enemies):
Unless you're selling the idea that QS starts the fight by allowing her to center herself etc...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85But only when she is in mortal danger. As I showed in my scan.
With your reasoning being that it's not if it happens all the time. My point is that it can still be PIS when it happens all the time.
Fair enough.
OK? Not my point. Although, even when she tried to use her powers, Shang outsped her:
But my point was, to use her power effectively in combat, she needs to:
If too much happens (like, say, being hit by multiple enemies):
Unless you're selling the idea that QS starts the fight by allowing her to center herself etc... [/B]
You focus too much on scans. Everything you posted is out of context or wrong. If you'd read the series from start to finish you'd know that Domino manipulates every situation passively ( whether life threatening or not) what happened was that the mutant Topaz ( who has the power to alter/negate/intensify mutant powers had it out for her. So the reason why her powers were all screwy and she had to meditate, train with Shang and focus was because for 10 issues someone was actively adjusting her powers.
Actually, before the events with Topaz, Domino explains she can't control her powers, and that it only kicks in when she is in mortal danger. I already posted that scan.
I completely agree that Shang was needed to focus and control, to correct for Topaz. Never said it wasn't for that.
But what I'm saying is that without his training, back in issue #1, she explains that she never was able to control it.
Context, love.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus, it only really shows up when she's in mortal danger:Unless QS is out to kill her....
This is the scan. Topaz wasn't on the scene - this is how Domino always has her powers.
Then Topaz showed up, screwed with her, and she then had to go to Shang.
Shang then teaches her how to use her focus to negate Topaz's influence on her.
HOWEVER, my point is this:
Either
A: Domino has zero control of her powers, and it only kicks in when she's in mortal danger, and even then there's no telling if she would even survive unscathed, or
B: she has control thanks to Shang, but she needs time to focus etc, and can be overwhelmed.
Either way, QS would win. Either because in A he's not killing Domino (unless we ignore his character, on in B Domino never gets the chance to focus, or IF she does she gets overwhelmed when QS does his usual flurry of punches.