What's the state of TCW in Legends?

Why do you take TCW to be Lucas canon?

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why, because I have so many reasons not to believe that it is:

Lucas' involvement alone can't bring an installment into the same level of canon as the movies. Lucas was also involved with the Holiday Special, the Droids and Ewoks cartoons, and the "Battle for Endor" movies.

If you go by the "T-Canon" concept that Leland Chee introduced, I'm pretty sure he said that that was only true until the series ended. Which sounds to me like he was going to demote it afterwards.

In my mind, the EU outgrew Lucas wherever it could. Authors tried to make it all fit since that's what the fans liked, so whenever they had the opportunity they would find and build around any contradictions. TCW was reaching for an audience that didn't care so much for that, so it could afford to defy that rule.
I don't think that makes it the same as the Prequels contradicting Boba Fett's backstory.

@Zentrex, do you have a quote about that's what Chee said what was gonna happen?

But on a note, while I don't really debate much around the CW era or rather Force Users so either way this doesn't really affect me but.

Why do we need TCW in both Continuities anyway? If anything, it's just making 3 separate Continuities like so.

The Movies + TCW

The Movies + C-Canon

The Movies + Disney Canon which includes TCW.

I know what some might say and it probably mostly pertains to debating in battles...but I'm not really talking about that.

Which something else I thought of, if Lucas himself didn't pay much mind to C-canon content apart from a few things he picked from it. Then why wouldn't TCW be within it's own continuity in Legends anyway and why would we try to mesh C-canon with it, when it clearly doesn't work?

I mean TCW is already in the current Canon, so what exactly is being lost here?

Originally posted by Zentrex
Why do you take TCW to be Lucas canon?

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why, because I have so many reasons not to believe that it is:

Lucas' involvement alone can't bring an installment into the same level of canon as the movies. Lucas was also involved with the Holiday Special, the Droids and Ewoks cartoons, and the "Battle for Endor" movies.

If you go by the "T-Canon" concept that Leland Chee introduced, I'm pretty sure he said that that was only true until the series ended. Which sounds to me like he was going to demote it afterwards.

In my mind, the EU outgrew Lucas wherever it could. Authors tried to make it all fit since that's what the fans liked, so whenever they had the opportunity they would find and build around any contradictions. TCW was reaching for an audience that didn't care so much for that, so it could afford to defy that rule.
I don't think that makes it the same as the Prequels contradicting Boba Fett's backstory.

I dont ever remember Leland Chee saying the T-level was temporary. And if it was going to change To anything it was hinted to be pretty much G-Canon.

The reason I call it Lucas canon, is because it was Canon to Lucas himself, and he spent mad hours overseeing that show. Why else do you think Disney didnt scrap it with the rest of Legends? They literally gave that reason in their initial canon announcement.

Lucas must have insisted to Disney that TCW is an essential part of Star Wars Canon.

Originally posted by Zenwolf

Why do we need TCW in both Continuities anyway? If anything, it's just making 3 separate Continuities like so.

1)The Movies + TCW

2)The Movies + C-Canon

3)The Movies + Disney Canon which includes TCW

Because IT IS part of both continuities. Just like the Original 6 films. End of. Theres no debating that.

But youre right there are 3 continuities.

1) Would be Lucas canon

2) Legends/Old EU

3) Disney canon

And like the Prequels, TCW are part of all 3 continuities. Because 1) would be the basis on which any legit SW continuity must be based around.

Originally posted by Zenwolf

I mean TCW is already in the current Canon, so what exactly is being lost here?

Thats like saying the Prequels are already part of current canon, so why not scrap them from Legends.

TCW was a big part of Legends. From Maul and Savage, to the Ones, it simply integrated itself into too much of Legends to just ignore.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Thats like saying the Prequels are already part of current canon, so why not scrap them from Legends.

TCW was a big part of Legends. From Maul and Savage, to the Ones, it simply integrated itself into too much of Legends to just ignore.

But weren't The Ones already in the Canon before TCW? A bit they were known more as just The Celestials/Architechs and just mentioned, but even still.

Edit: Oh so we are in agreement, ok.

Though I'm not really sure what is lost for Maul if we take away his appearances in TCW. I never really saw him as much a difference, other than he used a one blade and had cybernetic legs.

But then with all the duels that went on in TCW, I felt like everyone was basically the same apart from the few moments where an advantage was gained. Or unless you knew that someone would logically be outclassed.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
@Zentrex, do you have a quote about that's what Chee said what was gonna happen?

I actually don't. I've been trying to find it for several days now, because I distinctly remember hearing something about how Chee was going to figure out how TCW fit into the EU after it was over. Maybe I dreamed it, it was a long time ago.

But on a note, while I don't really debate much around the CW era or rather Force Users so either way this doesn't really affect me but.

Why do we need TCW in both Continuities anyway?

I just want one continuity to be consistent with itself as best as possible, and I think that's easier to do when you have that original clone wars continuity from before Filoni.
But then I also loved The Clone Wars and its additions to the lore.
I thought that the perfect way to get the best of both worlds was having TCW be S-Canon, so we could have all the lore that didn't contradict existing material, and exclude all the lore which did.

If anything, it's just making 3 separate Continuities like so.

The Movies + TCW

The Movies + C-Canon

The Movies + Disney Canon which includes TCW.

I know what some might say and it probably mostly pertains to debating in battles...but I'm not really talking about that.

You could do that, but I want to have each continuity be as full of installments but still as self-consistent as possible. TCW could be molded to fit other Legends stories, and vice versa. That would satisfy my want.

I'm not a fight debater either, but there is important lore that TCW included, like Ahsoka, the Toydarians, the Zillo Beast, etc., which could be important in discussions about hypothetical scenarios that take place in Legends.

Which something else I thought of, if Lucas himself didn't pay much mind to C-canon content apart from a few things he picked from it. Then why wouldn't TCW be within it's own continuity in Legends anyway and why would we try to mesh C-canon with it, when it clearly doesn't work?

I mean TCW is already in the current Canon, so what exactly is being lost here?

Well, see, I don't think of Legends as having "separate" continuities, as much as one continuity which gives certain installments more "authority" than others.
If either TCW was not molded to fit other Legends, or other Legends molded to fit TCW, we'd lose some important lore when we're discussing any hypothetical in Legends.
It's less about what is part of a continuity, more about how it fits in with and affects other things within the same continuity.
It's not what Lucas wanted, but if we took every idea that he wanted to be official, we'd be living with a very different franchise.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The reason I call it Lucas canon, is because it was Canon to Lucas himself, and he spent mad hours overseeing that show. Why else do you think Disney didnt scrap it with the rest of Legends? They literally gave that reason in their initial canon announcement.

Lucas must have insisted to Disney that TCW is an essential part of Star Wars Canon.

I see.

BTW, I agree with all the points you made about Zenwolf's post.

But @Trax, TCW wasn't molded to fit with what was previously established, they essentially started off with a clean slate, it's just the other material that came out that tried to work within C-canon. But then as you said, for those things it can be used as somewhat S-Canon.

The show itself could give less a care about what happened prior. I mean you could probably fit a few things and make it work, but some stuff just really can't fit into C-canon timeline.

Again though, it doesn't really affect me much. I'm more GCW era anyway, even then what CW era stuff I do know, TCW is largely irrelevant.

yes, yeah, you're right.

I'm probably still going to consider it S-canon in my personal headcanon, though. We'll see how this impacts my answers to future threads.